Discussion in 'Colorado Football Message Board' started by Omaha Buff, Jul 27, 2007.
How could ISU defect from the big 12? It makes sense ISU and Iowa. What would the big10 do to pull that off.
If The big ten did pull away a Big 12 member, who do you guys think should come in? I like TCU or BYU.
I always liked May, but that had to be his dumbest statement ever.. CU in the Big 10? It makes less sense than the crazy knuckleheads that want CU in the Pac 10...
Not sure where the Big 10 goes for another team.. I'm not sure Missouri does much for them.. I would go to the Northeast and get a team.. Maryland or UCONN, programs that are in areas with large television markets..
Utah.. they have world class facilities, due to the Winter Olympics in 2002.. Big 12 would like that.. TCU is too small of a fanbase, alumni to be considered..
Louisiville would be an interesting choice too..
Assuming ND never gets off their high horse, I think the Big 10 will look to Pitt for their 12th member. Has anyone heard a timeframe for when the Big 10 will expand to 12 teams? I wouldn't think they'd wait much longer so they can start reaping that conference championship game dough
I guess your right about TCU. I also didn't know about Utah's facilities. Sounds like they got a sweet deal.
USAToday had a small article about this the other day. they noted the Big 10 wanted a team that would bring in another big TV market. i think they listed rutgers and i forget who else.
denver does provide a decent market and as noted above, CU does fit the academic profile.
i doubt its realistic though.
i don't see much advantage in TCU. and, in personal bias alone, no more former SWC schools. i've been a big 8 guy my whole life but if the conference turns even more into the SWC, i'm all jump to the pac 10 if the opportunity should come.
I really think whenever conference expansion/affiliation talks start the first thing anyone should do is pull up a map. Now do we really belong anywhere near the Big 10? the Pac 10? Only solution I see is if Missouri bolts bring in Arkansas. Aside from that it could be a BYU/Utah combination if you could get Baylor to leave as well. We all know Baylor isn't leaving. I don't want any other Texas schools period. Arkansas would be fine even though they were an old SWC team - they are anti-Texas and thats a good thing.
Well the football team flies on a plane regardless and CU fans and alumni are found more heavily in the nicer states of the Pac 10 then America's black hole. The only thing the map shows us is that the Big 12 is full of a lot of ****ty states and Colorado.
tourism over football. great.
sorry to inform that none of the other sports make money and traveling all across the country doesn't help
I really don't see CU going to the Big 10 and I agree that if they are going to do it they should try to get someone off of the east coast to go along with it. ISU does make a little sense considering they play Iowa all the time however they are a smaller school than anyone else in the Big 10 and I don't think they can compete with anyone in the Big 10 right now let alone the Big XII??? ND does seem like an obvious choice, but we all know they are better than any of our teams.....................(insert sarcasm **** you icon here)
ND will never ever join a conference. Then they'd have to share their money from the nbc contract. no way. ISU has a decent basketball team, and their wrestling program is good. they definately make the most sense. I think they go after Rutgers.
So if Iowa State (or Missouri) leaves who should we go after....I doubt either leave though.
Well if we have a stronger fan/alumni base in California compared to Nebraska, Iowa, and Kansas. And we assume attendance rates are the same for California and regular B12 games. Which games would reflect higher rates of "tourism" among Colorado fans?
And both are BCS divisions, the "football" wouldn't suffer.
Er.. unless the "other sports" are daytripping for their events, the increase in travel distance doesn't make much of an effect, you're getting a hotel regardless. Club sports can afford travel; the real expenses for D1 level sports are labor costs.
And this isn't an argument for changing division, this is an argument that geography isn't an argument against it. And no we're probably never changing divisions.
CU could parlay that with the Tourism board to get more state funding possibly! State could find a way to co-mingle those funds for the capital injection to benefit such a move I would think?
Syracuse and Ruttgers would probably be ahead on that list. Pitt and Penn St used to have a rivalry game but it ended about 20 years ago when they entered the Big 11.
May is probably not so far off. ISU fits the georgraphy as does Missou. CU has the academics. I think they want someone that will add some sizzle to their fire and we don't fit the bill any better than ISU or MU.
May is responding to a number of articles generated recently and that means people that ought to be in the know are letting it slip that the Big X is interested and is looking around. Academics and market will probably be a factor. Rumor has it that NU, Mizzou, are among the candidates. I think the Big X is tired of waiting at the alter for ND. Since ND survived this last few years of mediocrity without joining I guess the Big X figures they probably never will.
I like CSU (maybe helps get us the championship game out of Texas) or AFA. Utah is probably next. The rest of the geographic options are not so great. None offer much sizzle.
NU is intriguing in that if they went that probably paves the way for us to join the Pac10 since our rival is eliminated. I don't like the Pac10 geography as those are some long and probably more expensive trips for CU to make every year.
csu has no business being in the Big 12-
I would like Utah, BYU or Arkansas.
Get Arkansas in the South and move Tex Tech into the North. I'd actually prefer OU in the North but OSU wouldn't like that and that would mess up the Tex/OU annual game.
If the Big 12 has to replace an ISU or whoever then I think the only MWC schools they would consider would be BYU or Utah because those are the only 2 that draw in football. There's no way they'd look at CSU who only averages in the mid 20K range. TCU would probably be a high choice also and I'm sure there'd be plenty of pressure from the Texas schools to take them.
BYU and Utah also have respectable basketball programs also.
There are too many Texas programs in the big 12 right now. Arkansas would be a great addition also like some others have said.
Frankly, the big ten is overrated in everything so I don't see any real glory coming from any team joining from the Big XII outside of someone wanting to run away from the competition. Head to head the Big XII top to bottom in football would dominate the eleven...but they are not willing to play most of us to let us prove it.
The suggestion that Arkansas would move to the Big 12 is the most laughable thing I think I've ever heard. They play in the strongest football conference in America that just so happens to cover the best recruiting area in the country and they have an exsclusive tv contract with CBS. Just from a shared revenue standpoint they lose.
Posting the map is a good idea. It show you why most of the conferences exist; geography. They formed these conferences to make scheduling easy and to reduce the cost of traveling the team or at least make it predictable. This is why the old 16 team MWC/WAC/SWC fell apart; it was too big and too expensive for the member teams.
The fact is that if ISU or Missouri left (all closest to Big 10) CSU would be a logical fit for two reasons; 1. Geography 2. CSU is the team with the most alums that still live in the state AND that state's population (and its TV market) are expected to grow appreciably over the decade. That means both major college teams are members of the same conference in the same major TV market which is an easier sell to TV execs. They might even pay more for that.
I suspect this anti CSU talk has more to do with keeping the little brother down than it does with reality. Our conference plays in 6 states currently why make it 7?
The Big 10 would ideally like an additional TV market, hence the Mizzou statement. ISU makes sense, but doesn't do that. Pitt again doesn't do that. Rutgers would get a bigger NYC draw, but is not an additional market since the whole NE gets the Big 10 ABC game every game for the most part (not sure if Boston gets the ACC games now?) From the UM boards, i've never heard CU mentioned, they have no interest in having to fly out there not just for football but for all the other sports. Besides we don't even have most sports that the Big 10 participates in, swimming, gymnastics, baseball, softball, field hockey, just to name a few they've excelled in lately.
I think Pitt due to location or MU due to the TV market are the most likely. Possibly SU or Rutgers as back ups....But obviously their first choice is ND...
You forgot Hockey. I believe that Hockey season had to be moved back at the high school level in some states because kids kept quitting football when Hockey started. Yes, many Big 10 states have HS level hockey conferences.
Since the Big 10 started their own TV network they are probably looking at a school that has or will add certain sports so that they can present sporting events year round. I don't see CU adding Hockey, Baseball, and Wrestling. Once the SEC went to 12 teams and got that CBS contract I think the Big 10 has slowly watched their conference fall behind the SEC. The creation of the TV network and this move to add a 12th team are probably designed to be more competetive with the SEC. That said, whoever they pick will probably have strong ties to the region.
It's true that as far south as Miami a big 10 game gets on TV at least every Saturday on ABC.
Yea, I can't imagine that Arkansas would even consider leaving the SEC.
As for who CSU, it just doesn't make any sense that the Big 12 would look at CSU when BYU and Utah draw much better in both football and basketball, plus they traditionally have much more on-field/on-court success than CSU.
would CU want to join this???
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I didn't realize we had to have Arkansas' desire to join before we threw out opinions on who we should ask. Frank Boyles, as long as he is still there, would love to be back and playing with the Texas boys. I am sure money would be the deciding issue, just wonder how close the money splits go each way BigXII vs. SEC?
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