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Why bringing in a new coach next year is a no brainer.

Discussion in 'Colorado Football Message Board' started by buffedup, Oct 31, 2009.

  1. buffedup

    buffedup Cooler than a Popsicle Stand. Club Member

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    Simply, there is no risk. This program simply can't get much worse, so a new coach while starting a new regime, can only go up. We have 18 returning starters next year giving a new staff a solid foundation to build on. Time for a change.
     
  2. Lt.Col.FrankSlade

    Lt.Col.FrankSlade Well-Known Member

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    Unfortunately it is a $3 million no-brainer.
     
  3. Unleash Hell

    Unleash Hell Well-Known Member

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    money not an issue, we have it
     
  4. White_Rabbit

    White_Rabbit Club Member Club Member

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    But will we use it? :confused:
     
  5. Unleash Hell

    Unleash Hell Well-Known Member

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    I think it's almost to a point of you have to now. Next years season ticket and attendance is gonna drop so low if hawk is still here. Change must happen!
     
  6. ThndringHerd

    ThndringHerd Well-Known Member

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    Agree it's a pretty safe bet he'll cost the AD more than $3 mil in lost revenue next year if he stays. Not to mention what next year's recruiting class might look like.
     
  7. JimmyBuff

    JimmyBuff Well-Known Member

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    Stop pooping on our parade..


    Can we fire Talkins after this season?
    YES WE CAN:smile2:
     
  8. Junction

    Junction Moderator Club Member

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    I think that's a huge issue. Not that we can't get the money, but that it's polotically unfeasible. But yesterday's 45k attendance has got to make the math on that change a bit. I know that's been brought up a million times already, but yesterday was the first time it became reality in the stands. If the administration is faced with the reality of losing 7k tickets or more for 5 games next season, you are suddenly looking at a big chunk of change lost if the move isn't made.

    That probably doesn't help the polotical side of the equation, though...
     
  9. buffsfan01

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    if we do hire a coach after this season of ****ball please make sure he doesnt have a son that wants to come to cu :smile:
     
  10. MiamiBuffs

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    Try $4.5 million. You have to pay him and you have to hire a new coach and a new staff. Unless were gonna shop in bargain bin again and get a guy that costs less than 1mil py.

    The brain trust might not allow Bohn to use it.

    Si senor
     
  11. Junction

    Junction Moderator Club Member

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    We're going to be paying a staff either way. You can't count the entire amount as additional cost of firing Hawk. Just the additional over what we would be paying him and his staff anyway.
     
  12. MiamiBuffs

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    I realize that.

    I was suggesting 1.5mm just for the new head coach ($3mil to buyout Hawkins). My comment about the bargain bin was a reference to paying DH $800,000 py and that going back to the bargain bin might be a bad idea.
     
  13. Buffnik

    Buffnik Real name isn't Nik Club Member Junta Member

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    You're assuming that the new coach/staff will cost $1.5 million more per year than what we're currently paying/budgeted for? Do we pay that much less than other programs?
     
  14. buffedup

    buffedup Cooler than a Popsicle Stand. Club Member

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    The one silver lining of our Colorado law about assistant contracts is that it probably saves CU over $1 Million in assistant buyouts that any other school would be staring at.
     
  15. buffaholic

    buffaholic Club Member Club Member

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    Unleash - you can't say the money is there. No one in the AD knows what the budget is going forward as the State just last week cut higher Ed funding by a colossal amount. There are huge cuts coming in the next budget.

    The going rate for a Head Coach of note will be $2M. That's a hefty raise over what Hawkins will make next year. Add in the buyout, new contracts for assistants and here we are.

    Lastly, the next coach has to be either a long-time DC or OC type as we can't afford 2 good ones. We have seen what a hands-off HC, a mediocre DC and a newby OC does for you....
     
  16. absinthe

    absinthe Ambitious but rubbish. Club Member Junta Member

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    actually we dont, or you know something i dont.
     
  17. Liver

    Liver modded mod Club Member Junta Member

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    i think he knows something you don't.

    money is not the issue. the will is the issue. it is the political piece of it that is the holdup (at least for now).

    here's the deal on the money, as far as i understand it (and i am no insider): in general, CU doesn't give any $ to the CUAD. the CUAD is expected to be self-sustaining. this is unusual at most schools, but CU struggles along under this general rule. when dicky built the club seats and then the CUAD had to fire gb, it blew a hole in the budget. so, they had to borrow some money from the school. these were loans, not gifts or funding. some of the money is still owed to the school on the loan balance.

    enter the CU Fund/ CU Foundation... the CU Fund is a very large and powerful private endowment. it is my speculation that some of the folks that run it actually care about athletics and they are allegedly willing to lend the money to take out the school loan and to whack hawkins. also, there are boosters that will pony up some cash too, in all likelihood.

    again, the issue isn't the money. the issue is how it will be perceived in these days of cutbacks. even tho it wouldn't be taxpayer money that gets it done... at least if any of my unfounded speculation is correct...

    a lot can change between now and potentially 4 more losses to end this season...
     
  18. buffedup

    buffedup Cooler than a Popsicle Stand. Club Member

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    Yep, as I said last week, losing has an exponential effect. Notice how much worse it is this week than last. Not anywhere outside of the athletic department am I seeing an ounce of support. Keep up the losing and he is a goner.
     
  19. absinthe

    absinthe Ambitious but rubbish. Club Member Junta Member

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    Liver with all do respect it is the money.
     
  20. BuffaloChuck

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    Liver, your comment that self-sustained Ath Depts is "unusual" is incorrect. This has been a growing trend for two decades. It started with "endowed scholarships" and has swept over most State programs as well as privates who've divested Sports funding from other financial entries.
     
  21. MiamiBuffs

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    Unless we hire a non big name coach then we can save money. Do we take that chance again?
     

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