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Why do Mike MacIntyre teams struggle to run the football?

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  1. Duff Man

    Duff Man Moderator Club Member Junta Member

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    Is it because he and his coaching staff simply do not value running the football or that the offense this coaching staff runs is just not effective in running the football? Or both?

    In his three years at San Jose State, his teams never finished above 109th in the country in rushing offense.

    At CU, the highest finish has been 77th in rushing yardage (2014), 82nd in yards per attempt (2014), and 63rd in rushing touchdowns (2015).
     
  2. MiamiBuffs

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    Former QB likes to throw the ball?

    To be fair, and setting aside the SJSU period, CU hasnt exactly been built around the run game of late. We seem to have some of the pieces some of the time. But never all of them.
     
  3. Bufffan68

    Bufffan68 Club Member Club Member

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    They talk about running the ball...but never happens. Why Mac thinks so highly of BL is beyond me.
     
  4. sackman

    sackman Club Member Club Member

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    Its very hard to be great at all phases of the game. Usually, you have to pick something to emphasize and take your lumps in other areas. I suspect that's the case here. MM would prefer to have a prolific passing game. It's his comfort zone. He understands it better and can game plan it better.
     
  5. absinthe

    absinthe Ambitious but rubbish. Club Member Junta Member

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    Offensive line has sucked, be riddled with injuries, poor recruiting and slow development, we haven't had a decent multifaceted RB, and we have been behind - a lot.
     
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    It's been the Jimmies and Joes more than the X's and O's IMO.
     
  7. BuffLuKe

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    Scheme is part of it. Also lack of a top flight back, oline trouble, coaches not staying committed to it, falling behind in games, etc...
     
  8. onealcd

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    It's a finesse offense.
     
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    To be a good running team you have to have a good OL and a star RB. We have neither. We do have a decent QB and weve had some pretty good WRs too.
     
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  10. J.R. Ewing

    J.R. Ewing Club Member Club Member

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    I'm sure you're onto something with coaching philosophy, but I think part of the problem is that we just don't have very good running backs. I think our OL was pretty underrated in run blocking last year (pass blocking is a completely separate issue). For instance, we were 11th in the nation on 3rd or 4th and short last year. We were 12th in the nation on the preventing running plays for getting tackled for losses. Yet, we were 109th in the nation in ypc at 3.75. That screams " OL created a hole and a couple yards of space, but your running backs did jack**** after that."
     
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    ****ty offensive lines.
     
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  12. sackman

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    The issues with the OL can be explained up to a point. I still maintain that this year is the first where we will actually be able to see the development strategy start to pay off. We have something like ten guys with game experience on the OL and another two or three redshirt Sophmores who are pushing for playing time. We haven't had that here for decades. I'm willing to give the OL the benefit of the doubt up until now. It HAS to be better this year, though.
     
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    We've been passing for 3 years to set up the run this year.
     
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    You might say its 4th a long?
     
  16. onealcd

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    Seems like our line has lacked athleticism but that doesn't mean you can't put them close together and have them maul other teams. Instead we ask them to pass protect some of the best athletes in college football.
     
  17. J.R. Ewing

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    We had some maulers who could run block on that line. Guys like Huckins and Nembot who were recruited for Embree's scheme. Granted, they were a massive liability in pass protection.
     
  18. Duff Man

    Duff Man Moderator Club Member Junta Member

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    I think you and JR hit on the important part for me as it pertains to the offense. When it has been clear to everyone over the last couple years that our offensive line cannot effectively protect the quarterback over the course of an entire game, why has the coaching staff not helped the offensive line out by going to the running game more?
     
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    Callahan and Kelley also did a good job in power run blocking.
     
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    FIFY
     
  21. J.R. Ewing

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    It comes down to the running backs. Against FBS competition, CU perfected the art of the 3 yard run. No more, no less.
     
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    Duff Man Moderator Club Member Junta Member

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    That's a fair point. I am not a huge fan of the group of backs we have either.
     
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    Buffnik Real name isn't Nik Club Member Junta Member

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    I forget where I heard this, but it is something that has stuck with me about football over the years.

    To win:

    Play great defense
    Play great special teams
    Do 1 thing very well on offense

    I don't really care if that thing on offense is running or throwing. Whether it is controlling field position & clock (running and/or throwing), or generating explosive plays (running and/or throwing). The important thing is to have an identity and to be able to hang your hat on that identity.

    Where I think CU has struggled has been when the idea has been to be too "multiple" on offense and not having any sort of identity.

    We have a pass offense. Coaching staff and fans need to embrace this. Doesn't mean we can't run the ball effectively, but the passing game has to set that up.
     
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    I've always believed part of a strong running game is a mentality, gotta stick with it and be patient. I've seen teams with mediocre talent up front that still had a solid rushing attack.
     
  25. 8Jah

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    Easy to stuff the run when you see it coming.

    No explosiveness on O means no worry about overplaying a running down.
     
  26. Burrito Palazzo

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    Adkins will run for a thousand!


    An Stoops will win the Natty!
     
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  27. Bufffan68

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    IDK about that. The PAC has been dominated by Stanford and Oregon...both running teams. I don't remember the last time a national championship was won by a predominantly throwing team. Champions seem to play great D, great ST and run the ball well (either as their identity or as a pro style type offense). Of course, in college, it helps to have a dominant player...usually at QB...but not required.

    Not that you can't be a successful program throwing the ball, Dykes, Leach etc have had some success, but they will never win a championship with that strategy IMO. The one good thing about a great passing game is it sells tickets...not as much as winning but people seem to come out to see a light show.

    This staff, with 6 years of history, has shown they are incapable of building a running game...through poor recruiting, poor development, poor scheme, poor coaching and what seems to be a general lack of interest.
     
  28. BuffLuKe

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    Who said anything about letting them see it coming. That's why the OC needs to do a good job of mixing it up. Now there are downs they'll know it coming but so what? It's called being able to execute, that means everybody, not just the o-line.
     
  29. J.R. Ewing

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    Great point. Oregon and Stanford are the only two teams to win the Pac12 recently, and they both have strong off identities. UCLA, USC, ASU, Utah, Washington have all fielded some good teams, but what is their identity?
     
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    Keyword identity. If coaches don't make it a priority in the O, it's not gonna work.
     

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