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why doesn't the big 12-2-1-? fight back?

Discussion in 'Colorado Football Message Board' started by Liver, Sep 16, 2011.

  1. Liver

    Liver modded mod Club Member Junta Member

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    i'm not talking about litigation. i'm talking about conference raiding.

    i bet texass could keep the sooners in the boat if the b12 added some teams and if everyone then agreed to stick together. sure texass would probably still need to make some network concessions to ou, but they are going to have to make some concessions if they move conferences, too, probably.

    hypothetically, what if they added boise state, byu, and san diego state to get back to 12 teams. they'd add the socal market (take THAT, pac12) to a small extent, and pickup a winner (bsu), and add another tv market (byu) (take THAT, part 2, pac 12).

    or, maybe they could even pull some big least or acc teams.

    i can't believe they are just sitting around, waiting for ou to dump them.
     
  2. Bone Buff

    Bone Buff Well-Known Member

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    Because Dan Beebe.

    Does it make sense? No, but does it really need to?
     
  3. GregInArlington

    GregInArlington Well-Known Member

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    no leadership.
     
  4. CVilleBuff

    CVilleBuff Club Member Club Member

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    Because Beebe is the worst commissioner imaginable. They probably could successfully grab some non-BCS schools if some semblance of stability was shown, but they're at a point now where stealing any Big East schools would be a major long shot, and ACC just out of the question. ACC schools don't envision themselves as being in a vulnerable position, they think they're the Pac-12 of the east, if not more. The only Big East schools in contention would be the newcomers from the Ohio Valley (Louisville, Cinci) that were in C-USA not too long ago. Hard to attract anyone with the vultures flying around the league, but much of it is their own doing - two teams should have been added a year ago right after the departure of the Buffs and Nubs.
     
  5. Liver

    Liver modded mod Club Member Junta Member

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    yes, but you'd have to think texass would want to try to stabilize everything. if texass went to ou and said "look, let us see if we can pull sdsu, bsu, and byu. if we can, then we'll have all 12 teams sign a new conference agreement and we'll rework our conference tv deal and we'll give you guys a piece of the network, too." i would think ou would strongly consider staying put in such a circumstance. the b12 would still be a bcs conference. they'd have some new tv footprint. they'd be able to do a championship game again. and, ut and ou would be the frontrunners to win the conference every year. wins all the way around for them...

    i know beebe sucks and they should have done something before now, but if i were deloss dodds, i'd be burning up the phones trying to do something like i just suggested.
     
  6. wsp4820

    wsp4820 Sally Club Member Junta Member

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    And, they could put OU and BSU in the North, BYU and SDSU in the South to make it so OU and UT will always be in the CG.
     
  7. leftybuff

    leftybuff Iconoclast Club Member

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    uterus doesn't really want the B12 to be strong. They just want it to survive so they can pummel everybody and play OU for the conference title every year. OU knows this, and wants out, everybody else is as impotent as Bob Dole without his viagra, so the B12-2-1 limps along with Beebe the pool boy asking Dodds how high he should jump.....
     
  8. RalphieSpeaks

    RalphieSpeaks Club Member Club Member

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    you would think that an easy path to the CCG would be ok with OU?
     
  9. ximianKernel

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    Maybe Dan Beebe just wants this long nightmare of him to be over too and not lifting even a single finger to prolong his own agony
     
  10. leftybuff

    leftybuff Iconoclast Club Member

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    Except that would mean OU and UT would play each other 2x. That makes it problematic for MNC, IMO they (UT and OU) think they are better off without a CCG.
     
  11. RalphieSpeaks

    RalphieSpeaks Club Member Club Member

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    that is a solid point...
     
  12. absinthe

    absinthe Ambitious but rubbish. Club Member Junta Member

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    ....

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  13. InTheBuff

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    maybe they have already asked some schools who have all declined to be in the same conference as Texass-
     
  14. Liver

    Liver modded mod Club Member Junta Member

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    maybe. but, i would think sdsu and bsu would jump at a chance at bcs conference status and a huge increase in reputation and in tv money. byu would be the wildcard, i would guess.
     
  15. absinthe

    absinthe Ambitious but rubbish. Club Member Junta Member

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    BYU has reportedly declined because Texas wont commit long-term to the conference.

    Not sure I'd make the move back to 12 if i was them but I would have given BYU assurances to get back to 10 and then added New Mexico for the footprint expansion to get to 11 and then just play defense for a bit. that should preserve the value of their media deals and they could be selective about the 1 they added to go back to 12 if they wanted to.
     
  16. CarolinaBuff

    CarolinaBuff Weekend Poster Club Member

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    Schools like SDSU and Boise don't have much appeal or a large following. SDSU would bring approximately nothing to the conference and Boise is a flash in the pan that has been feeding on cupcakes.
     
  17. buffwoman526

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    Didn't they try for Arkansas? :lol:

    From everything I have been reading, I'm getting the sense that OU is just fed up with Texas. ATM shook the boat and OU took that as their cue to go.

    I'm not opposed to OU/OSU in the Pac though count me in the stay at 12 camp. I do wonder if going to the Pac will be the best decision for them in the long run.
     
  18. Hugegroove

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    This just may be Beebe's last job forever. After this debacle, Who's going to hire him?
     
  19. JimmyBuff

    JimmyBuff Well-Known Member

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    Uh Liver I guess you missed that Texas tried to convince OU last weekend to stay in the conference. OU wasn't interested.
     
  20. ScottyBuff

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    The Big 12 doomed themselves back in 2007 when then-commish Kevin Weiberg wanted the conference to start their own TV network for their third-tier rights, as the Big Ten was attempting to do. He couldn't get the schools to vote in a majority to do it and shortly after packed his bags with some not-so-subtle remarks about the way the league operates and then went and helped the Big Ten to launch their network before joining the Pac and helping our new conference to achieve tremendous growth in TV revenues and network development.

    Beebe certainly isn't the best leader when compared to other commissioners, but the Big 12 Presidents are his bosses and they have always been a disfunctional group. Not even the best leader could get the Big 12 schools to agree on what is in their best interests. I wrote a blog attacking the Big 12 and Dan Beebe about a year an a half ago and it really still stands true today.

    Now, if the Big 12 is going to survive today, Beebe needs to be fired. A new leader needs to come in with a strong vision that he strong-arms the schools into buying. Beebe is old hat and they don't listen to him, probably for good reason, but even if he came up with the right solution to save the conference there is too much built-up lack of respect for his past inability to carry the conversation. Step aside and let someone else try.

    But, all-in-all, we are just watching the death-throws of the Big 12. There is alot of movement and noise, but it just the final twitches of a dead body.
     

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