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Why is there not outrage towards Mike McQueary?

Discussion in 'Colorado Football Message Board' started by Tractor, Nov 8, 2011.

  1. Tractor

    Tractor Club Member Club Member

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    He's the guy that actually saw it.

    If I saw a man raping a child, I don't go to my supervisor, or my boss...I go to the F-ing cops. End of story.

    I have no problem keeping my supervisor, or boss in the loop, but I go to the F-ing cops. When I'm talking to my supervisor, or my boss, I'm going to be extremely passionate about it and make SURE they KNOW what happened. Make sure they know I won't be stopped. Tell them they can either be with me or against me, but I'm going to the cops. Maybe then JP's message to the AD etc would be a little different.


    Why does he get a free pass? It's not like he was a 16 year old kid when he witnessed this. He was at least in his late 20s.

    If I was a parent, I'd be more pissed at him.

    The thing I'm most worried about in this case is that they fire JoePa and that puts and end to this story. A lot of people need to be punished for this. Firing the coach had better not mark the end of the investigation.

    JoePa is not absent of blame, he did a lot wrong. But nobody in this siutation is free of blame. I can't believe the free pass this GA got.
     
  2. Buffnik

    Buffnik Real name isn't Nik Club Member Junta Member

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    This is the thing I don't understand in the whole mess.

    McQueary's actions don't seem like normal behavior unless there's something more there that we don't know about.

    Why didn't he stop what he allegedly saw when he saw it?

    Why didn't he report it right away?

    Why, if he stuck to his version of events, did he feel so comfortable continuing to work there?
     
  3. Buffarino

    Buffarino Math - how does it work? Club Member

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    He gets plenty of the blame in my book as well. How he can live with himself I will never know. On the surface, it appears PSU bought his silence with a promotion from GA to position coach. Whether that actually happened we may never know. But how many guys go from GA to position coach at a big program?
     
  4. BuffLuKe

    BuffLuKe Club Member Club Member

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    Ive said the same things about this coward somewhere and I have the same questions as many do. He hasnt got a pass from me as soon as I read he's the one that saw it, its pathetic to me.
     
  5. buffsyko

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    He deserves a ton of blame. How do you just walk away and not stop it? So many bizarre and sick twists to this whole thing, hope they all burn.
     
  6. JimmyBuff

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    Mike M grew up in State College and went to high school with 3 of Sandusky's children. I'm guessing the families know each other pretty well. I'm sure Mike M is distraught over it although you are right he needed to go to police
     
  7. BuffNut99

    BuffNut99 Club Member Club Member

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    Does anyone think that if he gone against his bosses wishes and gone to the authorities that a) he wouldn't have been fired and b) that his coaching career wouldn't be over?
     
  8. BuffLuKe

    BuffLuKe Club Member Club Member

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    He might well get fired or removed but doubtful it would end his coaching career imo. When you really look at it, why the **** does that even matter? If he saw what he says he did, that is priority over any job you can ever have. If it doesnt, there is something wrong with you as a person in my book.
     
  9. JimmyBuff

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    Possible.
     
  10. Cal84

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    To put it into context, Sandusky isn't even McQueary's boss. He's more like his boss's boss (technically boss's ex-boss, but you get the idea). What went through his mind was probably a struggle between doing what was right and fear that if he reported it to anyone, Sandusky would deny it and he (McQueary would be fired). Why didn't he stop it? He was probably in some degree of shock and fear. I'm not trying to excuse his lack of action (or lower degree of action if you prefer). But it's simply the case that in this world, there are a lot of people who don't do the right thing when confronted with authority abusing its power. Humanity has a long unfortunate history of this.

    The part where McQueary shifts from being perhaps a scared underling to being a part of the problem is when he accepts the WR coaching position, continues to see Sandusky in an honored position at PSU and he says nothing. At least I'm under the impression that he said nothing until called upon by the grand jury.
     
  11. The Guest

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    McQueary doesn't get a free pass from me. If he didn't have the fortitude to do the right thing in the moment, he had plenty of opportunity to do better, later.
     
  12. CarolinaBuff

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    Correct, I also heard this today today on M&M and this goes a long way to explaining why MikeM didn't stop the act when he walked in on it. We would all like to think we would go stop it right then and there, but the truth is we really don't know how we'd react, and the fact that MikeM was close friends with Sandusky and his family makes it more likely that he wouldn't react right then and there. It also explains why MikeM talked to his father first about what he had witnessed.

    Yes, it's still inexplicable why MikeM didn't report this to police or others after the fact, seeing as he saw it firsthand. He was likely convinced by others superior to him that the issue would be handled appropriately and that he had done the right thing by reporting it and that his part was done here. Hence, the coverup. MikeM was also possibly convinced by some people that what he saw wasn't what he thinks it was - don't ask me how, but just a possibility. Did MikeM's dad ever talk to Sandusky about what was witnessed? And if so, what was conveyed back to MikeM regarding that conversation? I'm sure we'll never know, but that's something else to ponder.

    Note - SIAP, but if anyone is wondering about the janitor that witnessed a similar act, he apparently has dementia now and is not able to testify or repeat his story.
     
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  13. azbuff

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    This. I don't think McQueary gets a free pass, but the utter shock of walking on in that when you probably expected to see some player laying the wood on a co-ed would be mind-numbing. I like to think I would've beat Sandusky's ass then and there, but the act itself is so terrifying, reprehensible and nauseating, I can't say for sure that would've been the case. That said, Walrus is also right. McQueary should've done more after the fact.
     
  14. Buffarino

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    He's not that distraught or he would have done something about it.
     
  15. Buffarino

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    No way PSU cans him if he turns in a pedophile. Can you imagine the publicity on that?

    He may not have gotten the full time coaching gig, though.
     
  16. Buffarino

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    Yep, I don't blame him for what happened in the moment. I do blame him for not reporting it since then, though.
     
  17. Buffnik

    Buffnik Real name isn't Nik Club Member Junta Member

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    I understand why he may not have stopped it in the moment. But that doesn't excuse it. A reason does not equal an excuse.
     
  18. GregInArlington

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    Screw reporting it, why didn't he step in and stop it! How can you see that and just walk away, go home and tell your dad leaving the kid there with that man. ugh.
     
  19. Buffarino

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    People do strange things in the heat of the moment and you never know how you will react until you are there. I don't blame him for the immediate reaction. But anything past about 5-10 minutes after the initial shock is on him, IMO.
     
  20. Junction

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    This. Obviously pulling Sandusky off the kid and keeping him there until the cops arrived would have been the right thing to do. But I can easily believe that in the moment, walking in and seeing something like that, with somebody you thought you knew, could put somebody into an absolute state of shock to the point that they simply didn't process the scene or react in the moment. My problem with him is the same as it is with Paterno - once you knew that nothing was being done about it, how do you not take personal responsibility for making sure the police are notified?
     
  21. Buffsfan09

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    I'm a 28 year old ex-football player and I see someone raping a little boy, I go beat the f-in ***** out him, get the boy out of there, then go to the cops.
     
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    Lulz. Pretty much the reaction I expected from half the board.
     
  23. BuffLuKe

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    Its kind of ironic that the very thing that McQueary did by not intervening, whether that be by physically putting a stop to it or calling the police, might end his career. On the surface, it looks like he didnt take it further than telling Paterno for a certain reason. Speculation I know.
     
  24. DBT

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    In my mind, he could have just been totally shocked and not have known what to do that instant. He then reported it to his boss, maybe temporarily absolving himself in his mind. "Let others deal with it." Put aside that he should have taken immediate action, maybe for the reason's Jimmy states. But time went by and, clearly, he had to have seen that nothing was being done. The more time went by without him getting involved, the more duplicitous he became. Especially after seeing that Sandusky remained on campus and was working with youth, no less.
     
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    From the grand jury report, it is apparent that Sandusky and McQueary will be formally judged at some point. Most people will wait for impending legal justice and that is probably why the focus isn't on them at this point. The magnet here is the high profile Paterno who has based his career on doing the right thing and integrity. He is not going to be criminally charged probably. His problem will be civil suits. Non PSU loyalists want to hate him and because of that, he is in the spotlight and drawing all the attention. It is news worthy. I wonder how McQueary's recruiting trip went these last few days and how well is his daddy sleeping lately. Jay Bilas said is best.... 'a conspiracy of cowards'.
     
  26. bbads

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    the fact McQueary will be on the sidelines saturday sickens me.
    he could of ended this the day he witnessed it happen. hes a ****ing coward and is to blame the most for not reporting it. not saying what joe did was any better. they both f-ed up. but mcQueary is a loser
     
  27. RK

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    I don't think he will be on the sidelines. Penn St has no means to fire Joe Pa and not him.

    I think they are trying to focus on one or two things at a time from the top down.
     
  28. BuffUp

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    bunch of ****ing losers - should fire them all and jo's wife? nobody wanted to do anything out of greed and a bunch of narcissist - ****ing losers!
     
  29. The Guest

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    I'm not joking when I say that I'm not sure where you stand on this?
     
  30. BuffLuKe

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    There has to be a reason McCoward wasnt fired, maybe it is a whistle blower thing. Gottlieb thinks he has made man status at Penn St now for not acting. They were worried about the cameras being fixated on Jopa, now they will be on this guy if he is on the sidelines. The way I look at it, his credibility is probably gone as a recruiter now anyway. Other schools are gonna use this incident something fierce. I wouldnt doubt they have started already. Would you send your kids for 4 to 5 years under "Big Red" when he didnt stop nor call the cops when he saw, allegedly, what he saw? Hell to the no is my answer.
     

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