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With the SECs ABC/ESPN/CBS contract...

Discussion in 'Colorado Football Message Board' started by SBG, Dec 18, 2009.

  1. SBG

    SBG Formerly known as EFNMB Club Member Junta Member

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    are we going to see a mass exodus of highly rated ACC-country/Texas recruits go to places like Arky and LSU from Texas (as if they don't get enough already) and will teams like Clemson lose in-state recruits more often than not to their rival South Carolina, or to other teams like Georgia and Tennessee?

    Tennessee is a storied program, but they were bad this year--by their standards--and yet I saw them on national TV 5 times (3 on ESPN at night, 2 on CBS). During the Clemson-S. Carolina game and the UGA-GT game all I heard was how the SEC is dominant and is the best conference hands down. Now while I would agree with that sentiment for this year, imo, rivalry games are always a toss-up, especially when they are the last game of the season and emotions are riding very, very high.

    With teach team in the SEC garnering over 7MM a year from ESPN you will bet they get their knobs slobbered on for years to come to get big ratings. Coaching salaries will certainly outpace every other conference and you could see even schools like Miss St or Vanderbuilt paying top coin.

    There's still a lot of talent to go around, mind you, but I'm starting to wonder if everyone else will start to be a have-not outside of USC, OU and UT in the "other" conferences. A lot of talent won't leave because a lot of kids still want to stay close to home, better academics, etc.... I'm just wondering if the only chance we'll have of establishing a real TX pipeline is due to the fact that we play some games in Tejas.

    It could get ugly....
     
  2. buffaholic

    buffaholic Club Member Club Member

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    Does the SEC share the TV money equally? ESPN article outlined that Texas takes the vast majority of $$$ from the Big12 TV contract based on how many times they appear on tv and their tv marketshare. The rich get richer....

    Pac10 please.
     
  3. ScottyBuff

    ScottyBuff Well-Known Member

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    Currently the Pac 10 does the same thing as the Big 12. But schools like Washington have been trying to force change to an equal share (even though UW gets the higher end of the distributions under the current system).

    Washington AD Scott Woodward pushes for Pac-10 schools to share all revenue

    The SEC, Big Ten, and recently the Big East all share the TV money equally among its members. Not sure about the ACC.
     
  4. SBG

    SBG Formerly known as EFNMB Club Member Junta Member

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    They all share it equally. UGA and Vandy are both going to get near 7.7MM this year. Unreal.
     
  5. Razorbuff

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    Yes, we share the money equally with the TV deal. I think all television contracts factored in, each school gets a little over $12 million a year from TV alone
     
  6. SBG

    SBG Formerly known as EFNMB Club Member Junta Member

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    Does anyone know how much we got this year from TV revenue?
     
  7. ScottyBuff

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    2008-09 hasn't been reported yet.

    2007-08 total Big 12 distribution was $8.0 million to CU.

    $2,683,333 of that came from Bowl payout sharing.

    $925,000 of that came from Conference Championship Game sharing.

    That leaves $4,391,667 that came from football and basketball TV revenues and (a little amount from) licensing royalties.
     
  8. Buffnik

    Buffnik Real name isn't Nik Club Member Junta Member

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    To the original question, it's not like SEC recruiting classes could get ranked much higher. I believe the big impacts are that it will allow them to drive football coach salaries even higher while also funneling money into other athletic programs, so we'll start seeing more SEC teams winning championships in non-revenue sports.
     
  9. ScottyBuff

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    And many more 100,000 seat stadiums and gaudy practice facilities in the SEC as they turn the current TV package into a even greater long-term revenue production and recruiting advantages.
     
  10. BuffaloChuck

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    Ark and LSU aren't quite as dependent on Texas talent as the Oklahoma schools are - which have averaged 50% or greater for decades, unless Okie State had miserable teams.

    LSU seldom gets more than 30% of its squad from Texas, but when Ark can't top 30%, they too have had terrible teams.

    For all the "even" revenue sharing whining I see, it's always offset by the "let's have fair sharing" arguments. Since when should Investing Very Little gain larger dividends?

    Take a look at Baylor - never been to a bowl game, contributes VERY LITTLE to Conference Revenues except for Women's Basketball (ie, amounts are therefore in the hundreds of dollars a year, probably), and the occasional Men's Basketball play-off appearance has been historically offset by program scandals.

    They've got the smallest stadium, they sell the fewest tickets (and if you take out the every-other-year Texas and Aggie game, where 50% or more of Baylor's stadium is sold to the opponent fans), they'd be selling so few tickets it would be SMU-esque.

    Rich Get Richer? Or Wise Investments Pay Dividends, Idiot Spending Gets Far Less?

    Look at the revenue streams for the Big 10 and Pac-10 on TV - far less than the Big 12. They have "fair" sharing, although what isn't mentioned is that schools do get much larger expense accounts to pad their pay-offs than Big 12's "rich schools" get.

    So the "fair sharing of the TV revenue pie" actually means the TV-appearance schools have taken inordinantly unfair expense chunks before that pie is presented.

    CU would do itself wise by getting into the Pac-10. But why would the Pac-10 want to let a leech-program get half of its games for Calif kids' friends and families to see up close?

    Answer me that. Why would USC and UCLA want to give away MORE recruits to some leech-program that can't contribute but a handful of top-rated recruits into the Pac-10 litter?

    To be an attractive program, I'd suggest a state's high school system has to produce a lot of top-performing - not just top-rated - recruits. Then, the Calif schools could see a tit-for-tat association. Otherwise, CU should be viewed as nothing but a leech for Calif HS talent - taking, never giving.
     
  11. Sportsfan101

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    Chuck, you're forgetting the one HUGE bargaining chip that CU has (and this is becoming more and more important every year) -- the Denver TV market. Period. End of story.
     
  12. DesertDawg526

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    It's simple.

    Currently it is harder for a Pac-10 team to go to a national title game than any other conference. The Pac-10 currently has a full round-robin schedule of 9 conference games, and despite playing everyone to determine the conference champion, there is no conference championship game. Without this conference championship game, the Pac-10 winner either has to be undefeated or have fewer losses than other conference leader. A 2 loss SEC team would likely be in the title game over a 2 loss Pac-10 team, and possibly over a 1 loss Pac-10 team.

    The SEC has the easiest path to the championship, and this year they're probably only the 3rd best conference (behind the Big XII and Pac-10).

    What does USC or UCLA gain?

    More money, both from a conference championship game and and easier ability to send two teams to BCS games.

    Not to mention, a potentially significantly expanded TV base with the SLC and Denver markets potentially, leading to increased TV revenues as well.

    CU fits the profile of a Pac-10 conference member with its excellent academics and traditionally strong football program.

    Right now USC and UCLA and UW and others miss a lot of money from the BCS and TV due to poor existing set ups and contracts. There is much upside for everyone.
     
  13. Buffnik

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    Hey, and it's not like Colorado isn't a growth state that's turning out its fair share of D1 football talent. Cal's got commits from Chris Martin and Austin Hinder. Stanford from Dillon Bonnell and Kain Colter (and is going after Danny Spond). UCLA has a verbal from Kip Smith. And USC is going after Joe Hemschoot.

    And that's just the California schools. Syracuse, Minnesota, Kansas, Texas A&M and Nebraska are other BCS programs that have gotten pledges from Colorado preps. And then there's the annual haul of guys that go to the Mountain West (mostly CSU, AFA and Wyoming).

    I'm not saying we don't and won't take more than we give, but it's not like Colorado isn't contributing to the talent pool. Moreso than Oregon or Washington, actually.
     
  14. BuffaloChuck

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    Yes, compared to LA, that's a massive market, eh? Or San Diego? San Francisco?

    It DOES compare to the central Sac-area. And to Oregon.

    But Calif is putting out over 420 HS players into Div-1 football scholarships, slightly more than Texas' 410, slightly more than Florida's 400.

    Colorado and the Denver area are putting out - uh - how many?

    This inequity PLUS Denver's low TV ratings for CU sports compared to Denver's own pro sports markets, doesn't make it "one HUGE bargaining chip". Your sentence should be stated as "Denver's TV market FOR Buffalo Sports", and then you'll recognize this isn't a huge bargaining chip - in fact, take a look at CU's Baseball Team to consider Denver's commitment to support a popular American sport on the CU campus.

    Now, add that to the vast inequity that Calif has for talent compared to Colorado, and I still don't see any - not even ONE HUGE argument - that makes CU "the compelling Pac 10 addition".

    The Pac-10 can get ALL the same revenue from TV packages by adding UNLV, Nevada, Fresno - and considerably reduce travel expenses AND those are all 'known quantities' in the recruiting wars.

    The quantity of HS Talent may be greater than those lesser contributors to Pac-10's talent pool.

    Argue this point for me: Why would the Calif school want MORE 'leeches' that also come with much higher expenses? CU's Denver Market is more attractive than Boise, yes. More than Vegas-Reno, though?
     
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    Denver is the 16th largest media market (comparable to Seattle and Phoenix) Las Vegas is 42nd. Plus, CU doesn't have some of the baggage that UNLV brings. Trust me, Colorado is the only slam dunk that the Pac 10 would get, with the exception of Texas, and that isn't happening. Chuck, sorry to break it to you, but CU is still a slam dunk for the Pac 10.
     
  16. Buffnik

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    If the PAC is going to expand, CU makes the most sense as a target. As stated, Denver metro is it the largest media market they're not in among the western time zones. Also, distance is mitigated by Denver being a major international airport. It's actually easier and generally less expensive for teams from the PAC to travel to Boulder than it is to go to Corvalis, Eugene or Pullman. Finally, and this may be the most important consideration, CU is the only program being mentioned that the PAC university presidents will get enthusiastic about. The PAC is pretty much an affiliation of Tier 1 graduate research universities. Colorado fits in perfectly, being one of the top public universities for graduate programs in the western USA.

    (As an aside, if Missouri and Colorado left the Big 12, I believe the conference would add TCU and Houston... pushing OU and OSU to the North.)
     
  17. SBG

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    To get back to the original statement.

    6 of the top 10 recruiting classes right now are to SEC schools. SCar is at #31. Ole Miss is at 36. Miss St at 43. Arky at 59. Vandy at 71. I'm missing one, but I digress.

    Ole Miss has recruited well in the past, but is struggling this year. Arky hasn't been able to put it together, but culturally they can pull in more people easier than we can here from TX. Vandy will continue to struggle, but guess who is President? Gordan Gee. Miss St has one of the largest TV screens in CFB and regularly sells out it's 55k seat stadium (the same as ours). Ole Miss will most likely beat up on Okie Lite in their bowl game.

    All of these schools' facilities and fan support will only continue to grow in upcoming years. One of the biggest draws for ND all these year has been their NBC contract. The SEC deal trumps that, imo, because right now the SEC is more nationally relevant than NBC and it's on ESPN. I don't think kids from CA leave in droves, but Clemson at #22 right now and UNC in the mid-20s are definitely going to suffer.
     
  18. 4DemBuffs

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    also, i would think with all of the california transplants that have moved to the front range over the last decade or two, that a good number of those people are grads of PAC-10 schools.
     
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    None of those schools have good enough academics, otherwise I'd agree. You will never seen any of the above in the Pac-10 due to academics alone.
     
  21. BuffaloChuck

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    Some well stated arguments, but "not as expensive as traveling to others" - is THAT the best you can do? Wow - what a RINGING endorsement, eh?!! So much for "SLAM DUNK"! ha ha

    The academics are an issue, but just like USC-Private-School has much diff acad standards than Stanford, "these can be disappeared" as certain veterans of Las Vegas might say.

    I still don't see any "Denver's 16th Market Watching CU Sports" anywhere, and I see MUCH MUCH evidence - and every Denver Post reader does to - where CU's athletes are not front-most among Denver viewers.

    Will Boulder's great facilities be a fan treat like, say, LV? If "slam dunk" is the auspicious term, that'd be the location the Pac-10 might enjoy. The only thing that puts the lid on LV is gambling - but it's not like USC's had any difficulty with that, eh? And if the NCAA's grand enough to accept UNLV or Reno in any conference, then how can they stand in their way for some other one?

    One big disadvantage that LV has is Economic Downturn. It's getting hit a lot harder than the Denver area, or at least receives far more publicity about vacant housing developments.

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    But back to NM's poing about SEC's TV contract - fortunately for ND, since they're a sole-owner of theirs, they will continue to share their revenues only with themselves. That's their continuing advantage. But the SEC's poor stadiums (sub 70k seating) are all being attacked with money to expand considerably. No one knows if they'll be successful, but we see a lot of press about "from Top to Bottom" ratings and the only way the SEC can validate this is to, from Top to Bottom, upgrade everyone.

    They have plenty of evidence that "build it, they will come" for financial riches and I'll be surprised if they don't strike while the iron is hot - in this economic downturn, do it now while prices can be negotiated lower.

    The SEC's "media darling" status is surprising except that the Country Broadcasting System (think Beverly Hillbillies, Andy Griffith, Green Acres, Gomer Pyle) has a long history of success with that CBS style. Then some decades of flop-dom, too. And where does Ted Turner and Atlanta fall into this? I think that's a big factor, too. "If you don't want to, I will," Ted says.
     
  22. ScottyBuff

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    AND voicing his support of Big Ten expansion!
     

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