Discussion in 'Colorado Football Message Board' started by absinthe, Nov 27, 2012.
Whatever his angle is, it is obtuse....
bunker mentality. you stand up for your friends / comrades. no man left behind. not that I agree with it in this case, but that is what he's doing.
This isn't about CU.
This is about the same motivations that cause him to leave CU for Promise Keepers.
I mentioned it in the other thread, my guess is that he's trying to keep his coaching tree, which ON FIRE, alive.
that and pride. pride, expectations, and ego lead to resentment. resentments are poison.
burning foliage does fit in with the Promise Keepers side of things.
Man, I caught the last 5 or so minutes of that. Really hurts to hear him. I know he's hurting. You can see that he really dislikes Bohn. Mac truly believes that black men are victims and I get that. But he is just wrong about Embree being a guy who can turn CU around. It just wasn't going to happen. This is bigger than Jon Embree. For Mac to say that black kids will not trust CU and not come here is just wrong.
And the same mentality that caused him to resign the same day Salaam rushed for over 2,000 yds., effectively sealing the deal on the Heisman.
Mac claimed he didn't believe his resignation would steal any thunder from Salaam's efforts...... BS! He could have waited two days to give Salaam his day in the sun, before bailing out for Jebus! Still haven't forgiven him for that faux pas.
Both Embo and Mac need to go gently into the night. The race angle is really, really stupid. Gulp as much as I hate to quote DiStefano he makes some good points:
"If this decision were based on passion for CU and dedication, there is no doubt Jon would be coach for life," Chancellor Phil DiStefano said. "But it also has to be based upon progress and results, which we simply did not see enough this year. "
“We didn’t hire Jon because he’s an African-American, and we didn’t fire Jon because he’s an African-American.”
All this race talk is so antiquated.
to clarify, I didn't mean from you, DBT
I'm so done with Mac. He had his day in the sun. He left CU more than 20 years ago on his own volition. Now he comes back to handpick Hawk's successor, pushes it down Bohn's throat, the candidate he selected utterly and completely failed by all measures of what a HC should do, and now he is trying to bring the ship down with him.
I am 100% done with Coach Mac. That National Championship will always be part of CU tradition but I am DONE w/ him! Noone lives in the past anymore. Sh*t not one recruit was even alive when Mac was relevant.
I honestly think some of this is a sad, unified effort to sabatoge any chance of a good hire that Bohn may consider bringing in. They turn their backs on the program and its fans while using their positions in the media to make Bohn and the administration look like the racist devils. Then, (if / when) Bohn fails and is fired, they will come back and say "I told you so" but we will do ya'll a favor by coming back by supporting the program again. You're welcome....
How many programs in the P12 have never even had a black HC?
I could be wrong on some of those, but point being, I don't think painting CU as a racist school because it fired a black guy is the right way to go about getting more black coaches in the NCAA.
Says 'White' Rabbit - :nod:
This unintentionally sums up the issue quite nicely. People don't play the "race card" in a vacuum. It's based on the lack of black football coaches. Things are certainly getting better though. And, as I've said, Embree isn't a good example of discrimination, but consider the larger picture.
Btw, I think some of the upsetness by Embree supporters is the feeling that either (a) Embree should have been given more time or (b)Bohn (and maybe others) should have gone down with Embree. It's not that the team was performing well, but just that Embree is the scapegoat. After all, Bohn has been on the job a lot longer.
I think saying you think Embree should have gotten more time is a fair argument. But it is wrong if you're the leadership and you don't think he is the right man for the job. If you don't think he can do it, then you cut your losses.
The question then becomes, does Bohn deserve more time? I know there have been other successes under Bohn's watch (notably Men's Basketball), but he's been at CU for over 7 years and CU football is arguably at it's lowest point. Is it fair that Embree is let go and Bohn sticks around? I think that's what people are upset about. Again, not that Embree has done a terrific job, but just that Bohn is left standing and given another opportunity. I tend to think he probably does deserve another chance, but I completely understand if people are upset that he's overseen 7 awful years of CU football and still has his job while Embree was only given two years (i.e. Embree's oldest recruits are true sophomores and RS freshmen).
I think most people are willing to give Bohn a mulligan because we don't really think Bohn was the man behind hiring Embree. Other than that, his only other hire was Hawk, which for all intensive purposes seemed like a good hire at the time.
Not saying Bohn should get a pass btw. Fix the admin stuff and hire someone that wins or he should go.
Embree had two years to turn this into a organized and relatively competitive program, not necessarily a winning one in such a short time.
But, that was not a license to turn the program into the laughing stock of college football, one which couldn't even beat Sac. State @ home and allowed Fresno and others to almost score at will. Fresno had TWO plays of 90+ yds. for TDs. TWO! Oregon could have scored a 100, if Kelly thought he needed the points.
Then the cherry: kicking off to Utah after Moseley's return tied the game; just ahead of playing an injured and obviously ineffective Webb against UW, when Schrock was available. I won't even mention that debacle in Tucson, where Berry became All-World, because nobody would tackle him.
Embree should have shown up is sackcloth and ashes for the presser, begging for forgiveness, not more time!
Bohn has done a lot of good things at CU, but he's ****ed the football program as well. Most of us acknowledge that. I want to give him one last hire to see if he can implement his basketball model with football and see some success. If he fails again, then he is gone. Everyone sees that - he sees that. The nature of the business is that the AD isn't soley responsible for football. So that is why he gets to make multiple hires. The responsibility for the success of the football team falls squarely on the shoulders of the head coach.
As for Embree - The youth excuse doesn't hold a ton of water with me, as he drove off a number of veteran players when he came to town.
Mac wants to be AD, then he and his buff4life crew can have 9 former cu buffs as coaches.
Buffs4life? They are making it worse on getting a decent coach and recruiting but they love CU so much.
STOP LIVING IN THE ****ING PAST. MEMO to Joel Klatt, go away.
I think there are better odds of me winning tomorrow's powerball than there are of Bill McCartney ever being athletic director of the University of Colorado.
Like I posted in the other Mac thread. Mac believes he warned Bohn and the admin that this would be horrible and Bohn did not listen. The result is that yet another black coaching prospect has been thrown under the bus.
I stated that Mac is blinded by his passion. So to speak.
Mac wants to remain relevant. Now that his chosen one failed miserably, his relevance is diminished. He and the rest of these Embree's corner clowns need to start putting what's best for the program in front of what's best for their egos.
I don't want to remember Mac as the man that tried to tear down the program. I hope he just goes away here soon.
I agree, Mac needs to back down and support CU. I wanted Embree to get one more year, but he didn't, so move on. No use crying.
What is sad, and Mac brought it up, is that Bohn said Embree would be back and then fires him the next day. That doesn't smell right.
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