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Big Day For The PAC 12
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CVilleBuff
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In fairness, all those games except UCLA/Nebraska were pretty skewed in terms of upper tier Pac against lower tier B1G, SEC, ACC. Let's see how Arizona State does tonight, that's a big one.
Could be. Those big sausage and cheese eating Wisky lineman could have a rough time in the 98+ degree temps in the desert at gametime.
This. Put it in perspective.
its like you don't want the pac to do well, its rather odd.
However, I'd point out that when PAC teams competed against lower ranking teams from other conferences they did what they were supposed to do. I'd contrast that to what the SEC teams did in bowl games last year.
This "SEC was overrated in 2012" agenda never gets old for me.
somebody
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Originally Posted by CVilleBuff
In fairness, all those games except UCLA/Nebraska were pretty skewed in terms of upper tier Pac against lower tier B1G, SEC, ACC. Let's see how Arizona State does tonight, that's a big one.
That's funny, this isn't what you said in this thread.
CarolinaBuff; said:
You have eat your words, or something.
Buffenuf
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fify.......You can never get a true read on the SEC because they don't play mid- or "lower tier" teams in other major conferences, they regularly play the Mid.Tenn. States of the world, even the top tier programs such as 'Bama, LSU and FLA. And they always play 8 home games or so. Its big news when an SEC top tier ventures away from their "friendly confines", especially to head west of the Mississippi and north of the Red River.
Name the last regular season game any SEC team played at Camp Randall or the Big House. This week at Autzen was a true anomaly.
Yeah, I saw it after the fact, but I don't understand how they let that happen: http://deadspin.com/wisconsin-arizona-state-game-ends-in-bizarre-fashion-1317492146
In all fairness, ASU looks like a better team in most of the time
CVilleBuff
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I've said on here numerous times that I think the Pac is ahead of the ACC this year.
I'm just not going to get excited over USC beating BC or Oregon beating Tennessee. I'll accept UCLA over Nebraska.
Udub looks really good.
The PAC has had some off years recently but the conference has a very good argument this year.
Oregon may have lost Chip Kelly but looks like the Oregon we would have expected had he still been there. Bama is amazingly talented but I'd like to see them try to handle the Ducks speed.
I wasn't sold on David Shaw but Stanford keeps proving that they are a quality program. Stanford has loads of speed as well but unlike Oregon they are just as happy beating teams up as they are running by them.
Washington has made a big step forward this year and may be back on its way towards being a national power
I don't think UCLA and ASU are as good as their rankings would suggest but they are also better than they have been.
Oregon State looks like it has taken a step backward but is still much better than they have been traditionally. The rest of the teams in the league look to be on the way up as well, except . . . . . saved for last.
The only sour note in the whole conference has been the dramatic fall of USC. This is a team with enough 4* and 5* talent to match almost any schools roster in the country. If not for Kiffen they would likely be at least a top 15 and maybe a top 10 program just on talent. It's strange when the school that is dragging down the conference is USC.
Oregon may have lost Chip Kelly but looks like the Oregon we would have expected had he still been there. Bama is amazingly talented but I'd like to see them try to handle the Ducks speed.
I wasn't sold on David Shaw but Stanford keeps proving that they are a quality program. Stanford has loads of speed as well but unlike Oregon they are just as happy beating teams up as they are running by them.
Washington has made a big step forward this year and may be back on its way towards being a national power
I don't think UCLA and ASU are as good as their rankings would suggest but they are also better than they have been.
Oregon State looks like it has taken a step backward but is still much better than they have been traditionally. The rest of the teams in the league look to be on the way up as well, except . . . . . saved for last.
The only sour note in the whole conference has been the dramatic fall of USC. This is a team with enough 4* and 5* talent to match almost any schools roster in the country. If not for Kiffen they would likely be at least a top 15 and maybe a top 10 program just on talent. It's strange when the school that is dragging down the conference is USC.
Are you guys kidding? Wisconsin's QB set the ball on the ground without "downing"the ball. No part of his body touched the ground, he was not passing and the ball was live. actually the missed call was in not awarding the fumble to ASU. I have never seen that before. I put this directly on the QB's brain fart.
He put his knee down before placing the ball.
It was hard to see it live, but he did kneel. Someone posted the pics earlier.
bigskybuff
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That's exactly how I saw it too. He tried to kneel down but hit his own player and never touched it. I've seen the still shots that look like he was down, but live, unless it was the quickest kneel down in history, the ball was live. If he hadnt hit his player, he would have hit the ground for sure.
I don't know the rules about what the announcers were saying about giving up or some such crap, but this is football and unless I mistaken, you can't just put the ball on the ground and not expect it to be jumped on. It should have been a fumble. Total screw up by the QB. Slide down and there is no possible misinterpretation. Also, the Wisconsin receiver stepped out of bounds 2 times in the big gainer that got them down there.
They don't have speed like SC and nobody has speed like Oregon but they have some guys who can make you look slow given the opportunity. They just don't emphasize it favoring a more physical approach. Get to wrapped up in trying to battle them in the trenches and they can make you pay with some speed guys like Ty Mongomery who is fast enough to run right by a lot of DBs. On the other side of the ball they have enough speed at DB and even with some of their LBs to allow them to stick with other teams speed guys while they go to work on beating you up front.
They aren't going to be one of those teams that people look at and say wow but they have enough speed to compete at the highest levels when they need it.
He knelt. When you kneel, the play's dead.
At the very minimum, when it was uncertain as to whose possession it was, the whistle should have been blown. Whenever there's any question of the possession of the ball, the whistle is blown.
So even if it went down the way you allege, allowing the time to run to :00 is inexcusable.
At the very minimum, when it was uncertain as to whose possession it was, the whistle should have been blown. Whenever there's any question of the possession of the ball, the whistle is blown.
So even if it went down the way you allege, allowing the time to run to :00 is inexcusable.
I'm not an ACC fan (even though Syracuse has now joined the conference), it might just come across that way because I tend to talk bout it since I hear alot talk about the ACC living where I do. If anything I find their BCS and big game failings to be comical, along with the obsessive inferiority complex they have with the SEC. Anyway, it's pretty clear right now that the top 3 conferences are SEC, Pac, ACC in that order and I've give the Big 12 a slight edge over the Big 10 right now for #4.
Yes the Pac surprised me a little bit yesterday, mainly due to the UCLA win over Nebraska even though the reports of NU's defense being a total disaster are completely accurate. UW was supposed to beat Illinois and everyone knows the story of the ASU win over Wiscy, although even with the inexplicable officiating at the end there's still no guarantee that Wiscy would've made the FG. USC beat one of the 2 or 3 worst teams in the ACC at home.
Oregon is arguably the best team in the country right now and they're gonna kill most teams they play so I don't see the big deal about them routing a lower-tier SEC team at home. Oregon won't face even a mild test until Oct. 12th and they'll still probably beat a good UW team by 3+ touchdowns.
No. Weirder things have happened than a kicker missing a 32-yd field goal with that kind of pressure, especially when considering that Wiscy's kickers only have made 57% over their careers.
Either way, I think you could make a legitimate comparison between the Pac 12 and the SEC this year. The SEC has the following BCS wins (AP rankings are current as of this week):
1-2 TCU (Neutral site, LSU)
1-1 NC (Home, SC)
2-1 WSU (Home, Auburn)
1-2 Texas (Away, Ole Miss)
2-1 VT (Neutral, Alabama)
Plus the following losses:
2-0 #3 Clemson (Neutral, SC)
3-0 #2 Oregon (Away, Tenn)
2-0 #16 Miami (away, Florida)
1-2 W. Kentucky (neutral, Kentucky)
3-0 #7 Louisville (Home, Kentucky)
3-0 #11 Ok. St (Home, Miss State)
The SEC is 5-5 against BCS competition
Conversely, the Pac has the following BCS wins:
1-1 Virginia (Away, Oregon)
2-1 Tenn (Home, Oregon)
2-1 Illinois (Away, Washington)
2-1 #24 Wisconsin (Home, ASU)
2-1 Nebraska (Away, UCLA)
2-1 Boston College (Home, USC)
And the following losses:
3-0 Auburn (away, WSU)
2-1 EWU (home, OSU)
3-0 #18 Northwestern (home, Cal)
3-0 #4 OSU (home, Cal)
the Pac is 6-3 vs. BCS competition