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Duke is 4-0... what Cutcliffe has done is miraculous

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I had thought that the Duke job was pretty much impossible for football. On every measure, they are the worst-positioned program in the ACC to be a good team. Maybe with the exception of Wake Forest.

But at 4-0 this year (admittedly against cupcake competition), they're on track to go bowling and might be the favorite to play FSU in the ACC Championship again. Amazing.

For historical perspective, below is the list of schools with the longest losing streaks in D1 history. Duke is the only program that appears twice and both are within the past 15 years.

Northwestern: 34 games (1979-1982)
Virginia: 28 (1958-1961)
Kansas State: 28 (1945-1948)
New Mexico State: 27 (1988-1990)
Eastern Michigan: 27 (1980-1982)
Colorado State: 26 (1960-1963)
Duke: 23 (1999-2002)
Northern Illinois: 23 (1996-1998)
Duke: 22 (2005-2007)
Ball State: 21 (1999-2000)
South Carolina: (1998-2000)
Kent State: 21 (1981-1983)
New Mexico: 21 (1967-1969)
Temple: 20 (2004-2006)
TCU: 20 (1974-1975)
Florida State: 20 (1972-1974)

http://collegefootball.about.com/od/history/a/history-lstreak.htm
 
If it can be done at Duke, it can be done here.

I understand that the ACC is not at the same level as the Pac-12 from top to bottom, but I would argue geographically we are in a better spot to recruit football talent than they are.
 
Shldr2Shldr said:
If it can be done at Duke, it can be done here.

I understand that the ACC is not at the same level as the Pac-12 from top to bottom, but I would argue geographically we are in a better spot to recruit football talent than they are.
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That list is filled with teams that people today look at differently. FSU, TCU, UVA, KSt, SC, and now Duke. CU is definitely a team that can be relevant again and we will never end up on a list like that, evar!
 
Shldr2Shldr said:
If it can be done at Duke, it can be done here.

I understand that the ACC is not at the same level as the Pac-12 from top to bottom, but I would argue geographically we are in a better spot to recruit football talent than they are.
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Please do.
 
Shldr2Shldr said:
If it can be done at Duke, it can be done here.

I understand that the ACC is not at the same level as the Pac-12 from top to bottom, but I would argue geographically we are in a better spot to recruit football talent than they are.
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North Carolina football talent is night and day better than Colorado, and you've got Georgia, Virginia and Florida nearby.
 
fatbuff said:
Please do.
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-North Carolina vs Colorado? Colorado wins.
-ACC vs SEC or MWC vs Pac-12 for recruits? Colorado wins.
-Proximity to and access to recruiting hotbeds is probably a draw. CU has access to Cali and TX and is competing with the Pac-12 and the elite of the MWC for the top recruits. Duke has access to Ohio, Florida and Georgia, however they are not only competing with conference mates for FL and GA but also the entire SEC.

Pac-12>ACC
 
Shldr2Shldr said:
-North Carolina vs Colorado? Colorado wins.
-ACC vs SEC or MWC vs Pac-12 for recruits? Colorado wins.
-Proximity to and access to recruiting hotbeds is probably a draw. CU has access to Cali and TX and is competing with the Pac-12 and the elite of the MWC for the top recruits. Duke has access to Ohio, Florida and Georgia, however they are not only competing with conference mates for FL and GA but also the entire SEC.

Pac-12>ACC
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It was a valiant effort, but no.
 
North Carolina talent is not worse than Colorado. That's preposterous. We're traveling 1,000 miles into CA and TX. Clearly Duke is better situated from a geographical perspective. NC is a solid state, GA is loaded, VA is loaded.
 
CVilleBuff said:
North Carolina football talent is night and day better than Colorado, and you've got Georgia, Virginia and Florida nearby.
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You've also got 4 Power-5 teams in the state plus a damn good East Carolina competing for talent. On top of that, major programs in border states that focus on recruiting there. On top of all that, I think the SEC pulls as many of the Top 25 prospects from NC as the ACC teams do - despite not having a team in the state.

I'm not saying that Duke isn't in a good geographic location to find talent. They are. But there's no advantage to them because of who else is there. They've built this thing with low-ranked but smart recruiting and exceptional coaching.
 
CVilleBuff said:
North Carolina talent is not worse than Colorado. That's preposterous. We're traveling 1,000 miles into CA and TX. Clearly Duke is better situated from a geographical perspective. NC is a solid state, GA is loaded, VA is loaded.
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I guess in my mind the density of good programs far exceeds what we are competing with where we are. Duke is near the bottom of the pecking order in a small pond full of very large fish.
 
Duke sits in a state with many programs. Meanwhile, we have to travel 1,000 miles into talent rich states that have numerous programs. I completely agree on all other areas. I've been to games at Duke. I've been to better FCS atmospheres. But geographically, I don't give us any upper hand.
 
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CVilleBuff said:
Duke sits in a state with many programs. Meanwhile, we have to travel 1,000 miles into talent rich states that have numerous programs.
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I understand your point which is why I said it is probably a draw on this category. We have to go farther to get talent from states that traditional come to CO very easily while Duke has talent at home but has to fight off the SEC and the ACC for the top talent. The density of power teams in the region does not help Duke. It is what makes their rise up the ladder even more remarkable.
 
I think Duke wins the Coastal again. No FSU or Clemson on their schedule. Road games at Miami and GT coming up. If they win one of those, I don't see anyone else in that horrendous division topping them.
 
Buffnik said:
You've also got 4 Power-5 teams in the state plus a damn good East Carolina competing for talent. On top of that, major programs in border states that focus on recruiting there. On top of all that, I think the SEC pulls as many of the Top 25 prospects from NC as the ACC teams do - despite not having a team in the state.

I'm not saying that Duke isn't in a good geographic location to find talent. They are. But there's no advantage to them because of who else is there. They've built this thing with low-ranked but smart recruiting and exceptional coaching.
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Have you looked where we are recruiting? California and Texas - We have to compete with the California schools and the rest of the Pac 12 in California and in Texas we have the Texas and Oklahoma schools - not to mention the half the SEC also goes there.
 
BlackNGold said:
Have you looked where we are recruiting? California and Texas - We have to compete with the California schools and the rest of the Pac 12 in California and in Texas we have the Texas and Oklahoma schools - not to mention the half the SEC also goes there.
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With CA and TX, we're also talking about two of the "Big 3" recruiting states. Those leftovers are pretty tasty. And beyond that, everything west of Colorado is pretty geographically isolated and myopic toward the Pac-12. In the east, you've got SEC, ACC and B1G all bunched around the mid-Atlantic.

I'm not arguing that CU is geographically better-positioned. I'm refuting the notion that we're worse-positioned. I'd call it a wash on geography. And then Duke has everything else going against it except for the advantages of being a private school, if they choose to use them (and I don't think they have the way a USC does).
 
Duke doesn't recruit NC like the state schools. They go along the east coast from FL to the Northeast and even nationally. Two 4* and a high 3* from California in their '15 class already.
 
CVilleBuff said:
Duke doesn't recruit NC like the state schools. They go along the east coast from FL to the Northeast and even nationally. Two 4* and a high 3* from California in their '15 class already.
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winning division championships does a lot to improve your brand image. apparently.

If duke schemes right they could take FSU to The wire
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We will see. FSU is not operating on all cylinders yet. Duke would have to play a perfect game to beat them I think.
 
Shldr2Shldr said:
winning division championships does a lot to improve your brand image. apparently.



We will see. FSU is not operating on all cylinders yet. Duke would have to play a perfect game to beat them I think.
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We've seen private academic powerhouses become very popular lately. They can go national. Stanford, Duke, Northwestern, Vandy. Stanford has raided the **** out of Northern VA recently.
 
CVilleBuff said:
We've seen private academic powerhouses become very popular lately. They can go national. Stanford, Duke, Northwestern. Stanford has raided the **** out of Northern VA recently.
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Ya. Stanford has quickly become a big pain in the ass for everyone.
 
CUBuffs12 said:
Ole Miss was stupid for firing Cutcliffe.
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Yeah. They thought they could go big time in recruiting and hired Ed Orgeron. After 5 straight bowls culminating in a SEC West co-title and top 15 rank, Ole Miss wasn't willing to put up with Cutcliffe having a single losing season. That's kind of a delusional booster group there. They haven't quite wrapped their heads around that they've got a long way to go to be an elite program.
 
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