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We Now Take You To Tallahassee, Florida

Jayne Cobb

One Damn Dirty Ape
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The New York Times has a new and interesting article about the police in Tallahassee, Florida.

Apparently, football players who would normally be summonsed, arrested, or strongly suspected of serious criminal charges are given preferential treatment based on the importance of the team to the local community and to the police department.

Reading the article, I thought of Boulder, where the very thought that the police would give special preferential treatment to a CU football player is absurd that it is beyond laughable. The cops might be more hard on a a CU football player, but I don't see the BPD or the local DA ever going easy on them based on their football status.

Another interesting thing in the article is the poor guy whose motor scooter was brazenly stolen by a football player who lied about it to the police with impunity. The copy essentially told the victim that his name would be mud and he would be shunned on campus if he pressed charges against the freaking criminal who stole his motor scooter and caused $1000 in damage! Could that happen in Boulder? As if! I think that a CU student would laugh in the officer's face if he same thing were said in Boulder, and moreover I think that the Boulder cops would get the same reaction if CU was ranked number 1 in the country for 2 years running. Nobody in Boulder, even the most diehard CU fan, is going to hold it against a guy for honestly reporting a theft, but I guess the same cannot be said in the capitol of the Sunshine State.
 
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That's why the players there all think shoplifting and sexual assault are allowed. They are. The community should be embarrassed.


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That woman who tweeted about winstons "**** her right in the pussy" apparently got a lot of flak on campus and off.
 
No way I'd draft Winston, not the crab legs or other **** even worse he's been accused of. It's the fact he hasn't been told no probably since he's been playing and him saying he's accountable is ****ing hilarious. Maybe he'll learn for his sake. I think he's good but not great anyway, jmho.
 
Hearing this about the culture and how the cops handled the guy whose scooter was stolen/damaged is eerily correlated to how the cop handled the rape investigation. People speculated (even on this board) that the cop may have been acting out of kindness when he explained the backlash that would come at her if she pursued charges, believing that maybe it wasn't a strong case and she would just be opening herself up to things that would make her situation worse Well... seems like that might just be script that Tallahassee cops read about as often as Miranda in the performance of their duties.
 
http://espn.go.com/college-football...tate-seminoles-look-jameis-winston-autographshttp:

Man, when will people stop targeting Winston. He said he didn't take any money. I am sure he was more than willing to sit down for someone he didn't know and sign 1,000 items for them to make money off of selling. Seems really plausible. He has such amazing character, we all should take him at his word.

Seriously though, I don't care how good of a football player someone is on the field, these guys getting multiple chances to continue to screw up is ridiculous. Jimbo and Tallahassee are all idolizing this guy and ignoring the damage he is doing to their institutions reputation (what's left of it).
 
http://espn.go.com/college-football...tate-seminoles-look-jameis-winston-autographshttp:

Man, when will people stop targeting Winston. He said he didn't take any money. I am sure he was more than willing to sit down for someone he didn't know and sign 1,000 items for them to make money off of selling. Seems really plausible. He has such amazing character, we all should take him at his word.

Seriously though, I don't care how good of a football player someone is on the field, these guys getting multiple chances to continue to screw up is ridiculous. Jimbo and Tallahassee are all idolizing this guy and ignoring the damage he is doing to their institutions reputation (what's left of it).

I think that Winston pisses Jimbo off actually. The kid is a moron. However a supremely talented moron. I think Jimbo is counting down the days until Winston is someone else's headache. I just know the kid is lucky Bowden is no longer around.
 
Why is that? FSU became Free Shoes university under Bowden's watch.

Sports agents bought shoes for the team (lot of shoes though). Not the university.

My point was that I don't think Bowden would have dealt with the constant media headache that Winston is.
 
I doubt they will do anything to him. What he doesn't realize is he's hurting himself. He'll find out draft day, I think he's gonna fall down the board.
 
Sports agents bought shoes for the team (lot of shoes though). Not the university.

My point was that I don't think Bowden would have dealt with the constant media headache that Winston is.

Bowden's dynasty was criticized at times for players' misconduct and what some perceived as his soft hand at punishment. All-America cornerback Deion Sanders helped FSU beat Auburn 13-7 in the 1989 Sugar Bowl, but it was later discovered that Sanders had quit going to class and hadn't taken exams the previous fall semester. The state's board of regents passed an attendance rule that became known as the "Deion Rule."[+] EnlargeAP PhotoBowden coached 26 consensus All-Americans, including 1993 Heisman winner Charlie Ward.


Shortly after FSU won the 1993 national championship, Sports Illustrated published a cover story that alleged that at least seven Seminoles players participated in a $6,000 shopping spree at a Foot Locker store. The shopping spree allegedly was paid for by an associate of a sports agent, which would have made the players ineligible under NCAA rules. The incident led then-Florida coach Steve Spurrier to call his team's biggest rival "Free Shoes U."
In FSU's 1999 national championship season, star receiver Peter Warrick, a Heisman Trophy candidate, and Laveranues Coles were charged with receiving deeply discounted merchandise from a department store. Bowden was criticized because he kicked Coles off the team but only suspended Warrick for two games. In FSU's 46-29 victory over Virginia Tech in the 2000 Sugar Bowl, Warrick caught six passes for 163 yards with two touchdowns and returned a punt 59 yards for a score.
Before that same bowl game, Bowden was criticized for not suspending All-America kicker Sebastian Janikowski, who had missed the team's curfew in New Orleans. Bowden joked that he didn't have "Warsaw rules" for his Polish-born kicker.
In 2002, FSU quarterback Adrian McPherson was kicked off the team after he was charged with stealing checks to pay off gambling debts. It was alleged that McPherson bet on FSU football games. He pleaded no contest to felony theft and forgery charges and misdemeanor illegal gambling.
"I don't care what they say," Bowden said. "I'm in charge of 115 boys. If I have five get in trouble, I have 110 who didn't. That's a pretty good average, but we'll be criticized for it. That's our society today. I've always been pretty tough. You probably get a little more understanding as you get older, but I've always felt I was pretty tough when it came to discipline. People have always called me a second-chance coach, but that's the way I was raised. If people hadn't given me a second chance, I'd have never made it."
Florida State's biggest scandal came in the 2007 season. Shortly before the Seminoles played Kentucky in the Music City Bowl, the school suspended more than two dozen players for cheating in an online music course. An investigation found 61 student-athletes in 10 sports received improper assistance in the music course. The NCAA placed FSU on four years' probation, cut 19 athletic scholarships and ordered the school to vacate victories by teams whose student-athletes were involved, including 14 of Bowden's 382 career victories.

He isn't all that clean S2S.
 
He isn't all that clean S2S.

Associates of a sports agent. Not the university. As I said. The school got in trouble for a few things that were probably "Lack of institutional control" and moved on. Bowden isn't a saint but I am pretty sure he wouldn't have dealt with Winston. Too much of a distraction for his teammates and a potentially program damaging player with his actions.

The athletic cheating scandal was actually university wide not just Bowden or the football team.
 
Associates of a sports agent. Not the university. As I said. The school got in trouble for a few things that were probably "Lack of institutional control" and moved on. Bowden isn't a saint but I am pretty sure he wouldn't have dealt with Winston. Too much of a distraction for his teammates and a potentially program damaging player with his actions.

The athletic cheating scandal was actually university wide not just Bowden or the football team.

If you are a star Bowden would play you no matter what. Winston is a star, Bowden would have treated him the same way he treated Warrick.
 
Associates of a sports agent. Not the university. As I said. The school got in trouble for a few things that were probably "Lack of institutional control" and moved on. Bowden isn't a saint but I am pretty sure he wouldn't have dealt with Winston. Too much of a distraction for his teammates and a potentially program damaging player with his actions.

The athletic cheating scandal was actually university wide not just Bowden or the football team.

But the argument as you've framed it is how the coach deals with troubled players. dply's post demonstrates that Bowden dealt lightly when he felt the team would be affected significantly by disciplinary action.

Sometimes it's best to concede a debate. It will facilitate your long-term credibility.
 
But the argument as you've framed it is how the coach deals with troubled players. dply's post demonstrates that Bowden dealt lightly when he felt the team would be affected significantly by disciplinary action.

Sometimes it's best to concede a debate. It will facilitate your long-term credibility.

I think S2S is a bit younger than me too so he probably didn't see all the news surrounding FSU in the 90's. Everyone knew the Florida schools were a bit suspect. If you add in the NY times article you have to wonder what wasn't reported back then and this stuff still came out.

It's why I wanted Paterno to have the record over Bowden because Penn State was clean. Damn I was so wrong on that.
 
I think S2S is a bit younger than me too so he probably didn't see all the news surrounding FSU in the 90's. Everyone knew the Florida schools were a bit suspect. If you add in the NY times article you have to wonder what wasn't reported back then and this stuff still came out.

It's why I wanted Paterno to have the record over Bowden because Penn State was clean. Damn I was so wrong on that.

That is accurate. I missed the rise of FSU, the nasty days at "The U" and the glory days of CU.
 
That is accurate. I missed the rise of FSU, the nasty days at "The U" and the glory days of CU.

They were good times. Any CU fan under the age of 25 is a true fan. i was lucky, they won the MNC when I was 9-10. Perfect timing to become a fan.
 
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