Why CU lost - by the stats

[Buffnik]

CU controlled the glass, going +14.

Turnovers hurt, with CU having 14 and CSU 9.

FT shooting: CU was bad (13/20), but CSU damn near gave the game away on the line at 14/26.

Buffs shot 55.6% from 3pt range (5/9) vs the Rams shooting 30% (6/20).

So why the hell did we lose?

Ball movement was bad, with only 6 assists. But CSU only had 6 assists, so that was a wash.

It mostly came down to points in the paint & from 2pt range in general.

CU: 16/43 (37.2%)
CSU: 15/26 (57.7%)

So, CU got 6 more shots than CSU tonight due to the rebounding edge more than offsetting the turnover differential. But the Buffs could do nothing to capitalize while taking a much higher volume of what should be easier & more efficient shots from 2pt range. Hell, we didn't even get to the FT line off these shots.

Josh Scott stands out: 0/7 from the field and only 2 FTs (which he made).

The other thing that stands out as a reason for losing is bench play. Ski sitting much of the 1st half kept the game closer than it should have been at the break. And then he had to play all 20 minutes of the 2nd half because CU was getting nothing from any other guard.

Bench performance:

CU got 10 points on 3/9 shooting (plus 3/4 FTs) along with 6 turnovers.

CSU got 17 points on 3/10 shooting (plus 9/13 FTs) along with 2 turnovers.

 

[tante]

You need to add we still don't know how to inbound the ball. It is almost embarrassing at this point.

 

[CVilleBuff]

You need to add we still don't know how to inbound the ball. It is almost embarrassing at this point.

I really don't understand this. You learn a few basic inbound plays in 6th grade. Why do we just refuse to do basic plays and hurl Hail Mary's

 

[Uncle Ken]

To me (as an uninformed basketball fan), it looked as though CSU did everything they could to give us the game on our homecourt (and the stats support it). Our Buffs just seemed unwilling to take the win.

 

[MarkW]

For someone who is thousands of miles away, literally, how is it that Scott didn't hit a field goal? It seems he's been playing very well this season and been fairly consistent. Did CSU double and triple-team him to his ultimate frustration? Was his head not in the game? Did his teammates fail to get the ball to him in the right spots on the floor?

It seems that the offense stagnates a lot - I thought it did last season as well - and there is obviously no Spencer to take the team on his shoulders and give the Buffs a chance to win. So in the half court there is no real ball movement, etc., that finds players open. It's gonna be a frustrating season if this continues.

 

[tante]

For someone who is thousands of miles away, literally, how is it that Scott didn't hit a field goal? It seems he's been playing very well this season and been fairly consistent. Did CSU double and triple-team him to his ultimate frustration? Was his head not in the game? Did his teammates fail to get the ball to him in the right spots on the floor?

It seems that the offense stagnates a lot - I thought it did last season as well - and there is obviously no Spencer to take the team on his shoulders and give the Buffs a chance to win. So in the half court there is no real ball movement, etc., that finds players open. It's gonna be a frustrating season if this continues.

Because we didn't get him the ball in a position to take many shots. He posted near the elbow and got the ball mainly by the 3 point line.

 

[Flatirons2]

After 8 games it's become clear based on what has transpired why King is red-shirting. The game was lost when Ski was pulled with CU up by 8 in the first IMO, he was in a good groove with no pressure. Thomas has become a huge question mark...besides a rebound here and there and a irregular defensive play...he doesn't finish at the rim and he doesn't draw iron on 3s. Hopkins has a great first step & does finish.

 

[Goose]

For someone who is thousands of miles away, literally, how is it that Scott didn't hit a field goal? It seems he's been playing very well this season and been fairly consistent. Did CSU double and triple-team him to his ultimate frustration? Was his head not in the game? Did his teammates fail to get the ball to him in the right spots on the floor?

It seems that the offense stagnates a lot - I thought it did last season as well - and there is obviously no Spencer to take the team on his shoulders and give the Buffs a chance to win. So in the half court there is no real ball movement, etc., that finds players open. It's gonna be a frustrating season if this continues.

Because we didn't get him the ball in a position to take many shots. He posted near the elbow and got the ball mainly by the 3 point line.

Only slightly agree with you on this one tante. Yeah, we didn't get him the ball in the low post as much as I'd like, but honestly even when we did (rarely) do it, he didn't do anything. Josh looked off last night. The Swan kept asking me if he had the flu or something. It wasn't the normal Josh. Avila is a damn hard matchup when CSU has the ball, but he's hardly a defensive wiz and Josh was just a step slow all night.

 

[Shldr2Shldr]

4 of the 5 fouls on XT were absurd last night. He was unable to get in any rhythm last night, because if he so much as breathed on someone they blew the whistle.

 

[tante]

Wasn't Avila on Wes and 15 (Daniels?) On Scott most of the game.

 

[jsmilkst]

4 of the 5 fouls on XT were absurd last night. He was unable to get in any rhythm last night, because if he so much as breathed on someone they blew the whistle.

The whistles were just weird last night. Killed flow, inconsistency. And not just against us (though I of course think more were). Couple of bogus charges, the walk on the last in bounds.

 

[absinthe]

Wasn't Avila on Wes and 15 (Daniels?) On Scott most of the game.

Primarily yes. which is why Scott posting at the elbow was bull**** - you are 5 inches taller and 20 lbs heavier than the guy guarding you. Seal him off so the guards can go over the top or back him down yourself.

 

[BuffsNYC]

Primarily yes. which is why Scott posting at the elbow was bull**** - you are 5 inches taller and 20 lbs heavier than the guy guarding you. Seal him off so the guards can go over the top or back him down yourself.

Daniels fronted Scott all night. Scott received all of one pass while moving behind Daniels. Guys can be coached how to get the ball to a guy who's being fronted.

 

[89BUFF89]

please don't blame the officiating for the loss last night. there are always ****ty calls in cbb games.

 

[Darth Snow]

Them getting Ski out of most of the first half was really bad. Otherwise, even steven.

 

[tante]

please don't blame the officiating for the loss last night. there are always ****ty calls in cbb games.

I blame the team for not driving to the hoop more as soon as the refs started making those bad calls.

 

[patebuff]

Is this going to be the new normal for Scott?

 

[Scotch]

There were a few calls that were crap, but CSU can say the same.

The offensive scheme sucks quite frankly, even for Boyle. We still rely on players to create their own shot off the dribble, and don't run plays to get guys open. Whatever flavor of motion offense it is this year, there's still no point to it, besides causing turnovers and creating bad looks at the end of the shot clock. So in other words, same old same old.

My Dad went with me last night, and asked me a few times why they weren't running the pick and roll as much as the post players hung out on the baseline. I just shrugged and said 'TadBall.' Take the good with the bad. What I don't get is why they changed things up defensively. It was working before, and what Boyle hung his hat on as a coach.

 

[wyobuff]

I dont know about you guys, but it seemed like jelly couldnt BUY a ****ing bucket last night. Though he had some open looks, he also had a few in traffic that were rebounds or tip ins, etc that may as well have rolled around the rim 3x and not fallen in.

The sub ins after CSU's first time out (when we were up 12-5) were very questionable. it seemed like not long after that it was 22-20, and we just couldnt do anything. They tried to give us the game, we wouldnt take it, and that blown travel at the end really screwed us. even the kid stopped with the ball ready to pass it back to the ref and realized he got away with it.

 

[wyobuff]

There were a few calls that were crap, but CSU can say the same.

The offensive scheme sucks quite frankly, even for Boyle. We still rely on players to create their own shot off the dribble, and don't run plays to get guys open. Whatever flavor of motion offense it is this year, there's still no point to it, besides causing turnovers and creating bad looks at the end of the shot clock. So in other words, same old same old.

My Dad went with me last night, and asked me a few times why they weren't running the pick and roll as much as the post players hung out on the baseline. I just shrugged and said 'TadBall.' Take the good with the bad. What I don't get is why they changed things up defensively. It was working before, and what Boyle hung his hat on as a coach.

Yes. There was a time in the 2nd half when booker was guarding avila down in the paint. stuff like that shouldnt be happening.

 

[torero]

please don't blame the officiating for the loss last night. there are always ****ty calls in cbb games.

That was an atrociously officiated game. Both ways. Neither team was the benefactor from the horrible officiating. But it did change the nature of the game.

 

[absinthe]

I dont know about you guys, but it seemed like jelly couldnt BUY a ****ing bucket last night. Though he had some open looks, he also had a few in traffic that were rebounds or tip ins, etc that may as well have rolled around the rim 3x and not fallen in.

The sub ins after CSU's first time out (when we were up 12-5) were very questionable. it seemed like not long after that it was 22-20, and we just couldnt do anything. They tried to give us the game, we wouldnt take it, and that blown travel at the end really screwed us. even the kid stopped with the ball ready to pass it back to the ref and realized he got away with it.

Not long after that sub it was 15-14 CSU