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Rumor mill CU vs Hawaii soon

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I just got off the phone with my Dad. He played golf today with a CU grad who has friends in the CU Athletic department. He told my Dad that a deal was just worked out for CU to play Hawaii in the near future. I looked at our future schedules and we still have some holes in 2008, 2010 & 2011 which is the time frame my Dad believes the deal was made for. I believe it will be 2 home games for CU and one Home game for UH. I know the three holes in those schedules are all for home games but my Dad was positive that the deal included the Buffs making one trip to Hawaii to play the Warriors there.

Personally I don't like this move. UH is a WAC team but they are a dangerous WAC team and are no cream puff. Their offense can be a handful and usually requires extra time for the D to prepare for. If UH gets hot, watch out. Theoretically we should beat them hands down every time and because that's what the CFB world believes we will get no credit for doing so but they are also a good enough team that an upset is within their reach and to lose to a WAC team early in the season would be devastating for the Buffs. My take (even though the buffs are finally playing the team I grew up watching), bad move - little to no upside and big downside risk.

This is just what my Dad's friend said a friend of his in the AD told him. I have no idea how credible this info is but I thought I'd share it.
 
I have heard this rumor also. I think it will happen. And your spot on about the risk factor in this game. I don't like it.
 
good recruiting tool? that what's they used to say. i never understood how being in Hawaii for 48 hours could cause a student-athlete to make a 4 year commitment to an institution....but, hey?
 
good recruiting tool? that what's they used to say. i never understood how being in Hawaii for 48 hours could cause a student-athlete to make a 4 year commitment to an institution....but, hey?

we've done fairly well in our recruiting efforts from hawaii in the last few years. i think that is the main reason for the 2&1 (assuming this rumor is accurate...).

and there are some advantages to telling a kid from some ****assed town in texas that he will be able to play some top-notch nationally recognized teams AND travel to hawaii during his stint in boulder.

i understand the downside, but that has been a longstanding philosophy of scheduling at cu; and i like the fact that we are willing to take that risk with some level of confidence that there will be return on the investment.

another way to look at it...how many of us would be screaming if we were filling those open spots with some d-1aa or d-2 team that had a much lower upside and an even deeper downside?
 
Personally I don't like this move. UH is a WAC team but they are a dangerous WAC team and are no cream puff. Their offense can be a handful and usually requires extra time for the D to prepare for. If UH gets hot, watch out.

Get's hot? ****, they already are hot. June Jones has done a terrific job with that program. That team is fun to watch. Reminds me of the Fresno State team that beat us at home around the turn of the century.

Theoretically we should beat them hands down every time and because that's what the CFB world believes we will get no credit for doing so but they are also a good enough team that an upset is within their reach and to lose to a WAC team early in the season would be devastating for the Buffs.

Theoretically, Boise State should never beat any BCS team including the better team from Oklahoma. And in a major BCS Bowl as well.

Oh, and theorectically a major team should never lose a game to a team from a lower division. Like Montana State. :cry:

I believe it will be 2 home games for CU and one Home game for UH. I know the three holes in those schedules are all for home games but my Dad was positive that the deal included the Buffs making one trip to Hawaii to play the Warriors there.

This is the new trend in college football. In the old days schedules were done 10 years in advance. Not so much anymore. Also in the old days lower tier team would agree to away only games so they could get the payday. Now they demanding two games with one game at their house.

Oddly, this has forced those other teams in our conference (think purple and red) to schedule BCS conference teams because they don't want play a game at Louisiana Tech, Troy State, or Western Michigan. :thumbsup:

BY STEVEN M. SIPPLE / Lincoln Journal Star analysis
Monday, May 28, 2007 - 12:45:10 am CDT

Husker athletic director Steve Pederson

Steve Pederson recalls a simpler time in football scheduling.

It was the early 1980s. Pederson was Nebraska’s recruiting coordinator and administrative assistant. Bob Devaney, athletic director at the time, maintained a notebook that listed most, if not all, of the Huskers’ nonconference games for the next 10 years.

“We always tried to stay 10 years out,” says Pederson, who took over as Husker athletic director in 2002. “The problem now is getting teams to commit to a game 10 years down the line. I still believe in using that philosophy as much as I can. For instance, we try to do that with a lot of the more high-profile games we might be playing.

“But now in trying to fill out games around them, teams just aren’t willing to do it as much anymore.“

Some other factors have created significant challenges for college football schedule-makers in big-time programs. For instance, the addition of a 12th regular-season game last year in Division I-A set off a wild scramble to fill open slots in schedules. Meanwhile, guaranteed payouts to visiting nonconference opponents escalated dramatically — from as little as $250,000 a few years ago to as much as $750,000 now.

What’s more, Pederson — who recently endured a rash of fan criticism after announcing somewhat soft nonconference schedules for NU in 2008 and 2009 — says it has become increasingly difficult to get teams to come to Lincoln.

Steve Snapp, an associate athletic director in charge of scheduling at Ohio State, experiences the same problem getting teams to play in Columbus, Ohio.

“More and more of the midlevel teams are interested in doing a 2-for-1 deal — two games at our place and one game at their place,” Snapp says. “We just don’t want to do that. It just doesn’t make any sense for us. We’re talking about smaller venues, so from a capacity standpoint you’re not going to be able to accommodate the size of crowds we like to play in front of.“

Pederson shares Snapp’s sentiments, saying, “Teams you typically could pay for a one-time appearance in your stadium are not as willing to do that as they used to be. They want a 2-for-1. Yet at the same time, we’ve tried to avoid going to smaller venues to play games.“

The increased demand for 2-for-1 deals represents “probably the greatest change (in scheduling) that I’ve seen,” Pederson says.

Nebraska played at Southern Mississippi on ESPN in 2003 as part of a 2-for-1 deal. Roberts Stadium in Hattiesburg, Miss., seats 33,000, while Memorial Stadium in Lincoln seats 85,000.

“If we’re going to play a home-and-home series, ideally we’d go to stadiums that are more typical of ours,” Pederson says.

Which helps explain Nebraska’s future home-and-home series with Virginia Tech (2008-09), Washington (2010-11), UCLA (2012-13) and Tennessee (2016-17).

Pederson expects to soon announce a deal with yet another high-profile program, presumably for the 2014-15 seasons.

Such marquee games essentially make it unfair to be overly critical of Pederson for Nebraska’s 2008 and 2009 nonconference schedules. Next year, in addition to playing traditional power Virginia Tech in Lincoln, the Huskers stay home for games against San Jose State, New Mexico State and Western Michigan.

In 2009, in addition to playing at Virginia Tech, Nebraska will play home games against three Sun Belt Conference teams — Florida Atlantic, Louisiana-Lafayette and Arkansas State.

Nebraska has tried to schedule more home-and-home series with BCS schools, Pederson says.

“We just haven’t had a lot of luck,” he says. “A lot of teams say their conference schedule is tough enough. That’s what it comes down to most of the time.“

Pederson handles Nebraska scheduling with a big assist from Tim Cassidy, associate athletic director for football operations. Both men consult with head coach Bill Callahan.

“Bill is great because he is willing to play anybody,” Pederson says. “We talk about the teams that are available and the concept of how we want to do our scheduling, and he’s been in full accord with it.

“Quite frankly, his willingness probably made it easier to get some deals done.“

Big 12 conference teams, almost across the board, have shown admirable aggressiveness when it comes to nonconference scheduling. Oklahoma, for instance, this season begins a home-and-home series with Miami (Fla.) and has future series with Florida State (2010-11), Notre Dame (2013 and 2015) and Tennessee (2014-15).

Texas has future home-and-home series with Arkansas (2008-09) and UCLA (2010-11), Texas A&M with Miami (2007-08) and Oklahoma State with Georgia (2007 and 2009).

Colorado, as usual, has rugged nonconference schedules, and even Kansas State is getting in on the act, with road games this season at Auburn and Fresno State. The Wildcats, in fact, have performed an about-face in strength of schedule, with challenging future series with UCLA (2009-10), Oregon (2011-12), Miami (2011-12) and Virginia Tech (2014 and 2016).

Regarding trips to Auburn and Fresno State, K-State second-year head coach Ron Prince said, “From a recruiting standpoint and from a fan standpoint, it’s really getting the message out about Kansas State. And having our logo behind those talking heads on television, really that’s what this is all about.

“Our goal every year is to win the Big 12 North, and that’s what we feel we can accomplish with this schedule. It’ll help us get ready.“

Of course, Nebraska can say the same about its formidable 2007 nonconference schedule.

Big Red fans can thank their local athletic director.
 
I have heard similar thoughts but heard it could be a 4 game series with a few in Hawaii. From a selfish standpoint of travelling to go see football games in neat places, I am for a trip to Hawaii.

From a football perspective this is a potential trap game....but then again, I expect us to be getting quite good by the time these games roll around. I have to also believe that this can only help us keep loading the roster with the tough guys from that state - they have been nothing but awesome for the Buffs and it would be great to rule that territory. :thumbsup:

On another note - why don't the tough Colorado games get listed in the article posted above? Is it that we just have too many good games to list or is it that our upcoming non-conference games still make the rest of the Big XII look like a bunch of pansies?
 
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On another note - why don't the tough Colorado games get listed in the article posted above? Is it that we just have too many good games to list or is it that our upcoming non-conference games still make the rest of the Big XII look like a bunch of pansies?

that and the fact that it was an article in the lincoln journal star will answer your question...
 
Sweet. I am soooooo there :thumbsup: I have never been to Hawaii but that is about to change :nod:

:gobuffs:
 
Sweet. I am soooooo there :thumbsup: I have never been to Hawaii but that is about to change :nod:

:gobuffs:

this could entice me to hawaii.

i would rather put my faith in hawk than to chicken little around about wac teams. if a wac team is strong enough to beat us, fine. so be it. i would like to see a return to the time when we were willing to square off with ANYBODY, without fear about if they were going to be "good". hawaii does have a smart coach at the helm, so this is a matchup i can watch with interest.

bottom line: what a state to visit! woot! we do recruit from there, so playing there would be a great idea.

i fail to see any negatives.
 
In 2009, in addition to playing at Virginia Tech, Nebraska will play home games against three Sun Belt Conference teams — Florida Atlantic, Louisiana-Lafayette and Arkansas State.


woo! 3 Sun Belt teams.

nice article that contradicts itself about 100 times. Pederson is a clown, only NU fans believe his Pravda.
 
Recruiter: "And if you commit to us today son we will throw in an all expense paid trip to Hawaii". :lol:
 
I'll make at least one, if not both games over there. Yeah, it's a trap, but potentially so is every other game we play. KU was a trap last year. MSU was a trap last year. It's only a trap if you allow it to be so.

The stadium kinda sucks, though. It's about 30 years old and has never had any renovations of any kind. But, it's a hell of a lot better than stincoln, that's for sure. I think it will be fun to head over there for a long weekend and catch some good football.
 
Given how well we recruit in Hawaii I like the move brings the Buffs out there which can only help our work in that state and should be a lot of fun to watch once Hawks offence is running full speed.
 
Hawaiians love High School Football, too. I say that because the end result of the love of HS football translates into some decent players coming out of the state. No, it's not like California, Texas, Florida and Ohio, but they produce a fair amount of D-1 talent every year. Brian Cabral is from there, and we have several players on the current roster from there. It makes a lot of sense, actually.
 
And if youi look at the players we have had in the past from there you will see they have proven to be some of the toughest guys on the team...they consistently have a solid work ethic and have a mean streak.
 
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