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New Kickoff Rule

Dislike. I know they’re trying to reduce injuries, but this basically eliminates the kickoff return completely.
 
TSchekler said:
At some point, they just need to get rid of the Kickoff play entirely. It's become a non-factor 95% of the time. When a team scores, just start the ball on the "receiving" team's 20/25 yard line and call it a day.
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Right, because this already nullifies kicking skill. We can also get rid of the single point conversion and eliminate kickers completely. They're not really football players, anyway.
 
Some kickoff statistics from the NFL in 2017
- Touchbacks - 60% of the time
- TD returns - 7 (.275% of all Kick Offs and .681% of all that were actually returned)
- Average Return Yards - 21.71 yards (so the average return actually put the offense in a worse position than a touchback)
- 17 kickoffs went out of bounds almost tripling up the number of TD returns

The Kickoff and Kick Return units are pointless. That play is a non factor. Get rid of it unless a team chooses to attempt an onside kick.

https://www.footballdb.com/stats/stats.html?mode=O
 
I wouldn't miss the kickoffs at all and this puts both teams on more of an even playing field. I like TSchekler's idea of retaining the onside kicks.

Still curious about how the new XFL would approach the kickoffs as well.
 
its the players choice to fair catch, there is no requirement to do so. not the best change but don't see any harm.
 
Not Sure said:
Why don’t we just eliminate the first four quarters of the game and start in overtime? Far fewer injuries that way.
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zbuff said:
Right, because this already nullifies kicking skill. We can also get rid of the single point conversion and eliminate kickers completely. They're not really football players, anyway.
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Well, I get the idea to reduce injuries. This rule will completely eliminate the onside kick. If I am the ST coordinator, I have two KR who just try for the fair catch and have nine guarding against an onside if there is ever a hint it will happen.

KO returns for TD's are rare, but one of the most exciting plays, great idea to eliminate that as much as possible. Those stadiums are so full, you can start taking away exciting plays, maybe we could go two hand touch for OOC.
 
Jalapeno said:
I wouldn't miss the kickoffs at all and this puts both teams on more of an even playing field. I like TSchekler's idea of retaining the onside kicks.

Still curious about how the new XFL would approach the kickoffs as well.
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I like the whole idea of starting at the 25 yard line, and eliminate kick offs, with punting and onside kicks remaining. Kickoffs are pointless 94% of the time.
 
It takes a few yards to get a full head of steam and higher risk of injury, so they should just blow the whistle after 10 yards.
 
TSchekler said:
Some kickoff statistics from the NFL in 2017
- Touchbacks - 60% of the time
- TD returns - 7 (.275% of all Kick Offs and .681% of all that were actually returned)
- Average Return Yards - 21.71 yards (so the average return actually put the offense in a worse position than a touchback)
- 17 kickoffs went out of bounds almost tripling up the number of TD returns

The Kickoff and Kick Return units are pointless. That play is a non factor. Get rid of it unless a team chooses to attempt an onside kick.

https://www.footballdb.com/stats/stats.html?mode=O
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I'd be fine with eliminating kickoffs.

However, with that I'd say that a team can choose attempt an onside kick instead of giving the other team the ball on the 15 -- and they'd get to tee it at the 50 for the try.
 
Buffnik said:
I'd be fine with eliminating kickoffs.

However, with that I'd say that a team can choose attempt an onside kick instead of giving the other team the ball on the 15 -- and they'd get to tee it at the 50 for the try.
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I'd rather keep the onside kicks where they are, so teams don't just start going for them all the time. Doing an onside kick from the 50 would give the other team the ball at the 35-40, which isn't that much of a deterrent, IMO.
 
TSchekler said:
Some kickoff statistics from the NFL in 2017
- Touchbacks - 60% of the time
- TD returns - 7 (.275% of all Kick Offs and .681% of all that were actually returned)
- Average Return Yards - 21.71 yards (so the average return actually put the offense in a worse position than a touchback)
- 17 kickoffs went out of bounds almost tripling up the number of TD returns

The Kickoff and Kick Return units are pointless. That play is a non factor. Get rid of it unless a team chooses to attempt an onside kick.

https://www.footballdb.com/stats/stats.html?mode=O
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what % of injuries occur on kick offs? Seems like if you make this rule change, you may as well eliminate kick offs altogether.
 
TSchekler said:
I'd rather keep the onside kicks where they are, so teams don't just start going for them all the time. Doing an onside kick from the 50 would give the other team the ball at the 35-40, which isn't that much of a deterrent, IMO.
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OK. Move the line back to the 40 instead of the 35. If you're not kicking off you don't need it moved back to where it was.

But start the other team at the 20 instead of 25. That increases the incentive for a coach to want to play defense.
 
Part of the attraction of the onside kick is that you don’t necessarily know when it’s coming. Don’t take that away.

Why are we so interested in messing with a game that’s nearly perfect already?
 
Not Sure said:
Part of the attraction of the onside kick is that you don’t necessarily know when it’s coming. Don’t take that away.

Why are we so interested in messing with a game that’s nearly perfect already?
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Because of all the former players who have sued and are still suing the NFL over head trama. Because of all the stay at home moms in suburban communities not allowing their kids to play tackle football before high school, if at all. It's the age and reality we live in with this game.
 
TSchekler said:
Because of all the former players who have sued and are still suing the NFL over head trama. Because of all the stay at home moms in suburban communities not allowing their kids to play tackle football before high school, if at all. It's the age and reality we live in with this game.
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Then just shut the game down entirely, because farting around with kickoff rules aren’t going to change anything with head injuries.
 
Not Sure said:
Then just shut the game down entirely, because farting around with kickoff rules aren’t going to change anything with head injuries.
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That is where it is heading, unfortunately. But, there is still money to be made, and the game will continue for a while, probably a decade or two before the momentum carries from from circling the bowl to going under.

The ripples are already being felt at the Pop Warner, middle school and high school level. Fewer players. There will still be elite players to populate the CFB ranks, for a while. The NFL will succumb last.

It probably never will go completely away, but it will decline in popularity pretty significantly, I am afraid.
 
I think the kickoff should go, and it would cut the game down by at least 15-20 minutes, which would help.
College needs to get rid of stopping the clock on a 1st down.
Football could have 160 x 10-second commercials after every play for all I care. Announcers are terrible, and as soon as there is a tackle, you could put up a quicky commercial to sell me some beer.
 
TSchekler said:
Some kickoff statistics from the NFL in 2017
- Touchbacks - 60% of the time
- TD returns - 7 (.275% of all Kick Offs and .681% of all that were actually returned)
- Average Return Yards - 21.71 yards (so the average return actually put the offense in a worse position than a touchback)
- 17 kickoffs went out of bounds almost tripling up the number of TD returns

The Kickoff and Kick Return units are pointless. That play is a non factor. Get rid of it unless a team chooses to attempt an onside kick.

https://www.footballdb.com/stats/stats.html?mode=O
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I wouldn't call it a non factor. If 40% are still returned, thats definitely still a factor. I would be in favor of the ball being placed at the 15 as opposed to the 25, or allowing kick offs to be treated like punts. Beginning every drive at the 25 begins to take away from the game, "next the QB won't be allowed to run." This is a violent, aggressive sport- it is why I like it. I am all for player safety, however there needs to be an acknowledgement of risk and the avoidance of nerfing.

Edit: also KO's and PO's can be big momentum plays, either with big returns or turnovers. This isn't something we want to get rid of.
 
SkiRacingBuffalo said:
I wouldn't call it a non factor. If 40% are still returned, thats definitely still a factor. I would be in favor of the ball being placed at the 15 as opposed to the 25, or allowing kick offs to be treated like punts. Beginning every drive at the 25 begins to take away from the game, "next the QB won't be allowed to run." This is a violent, aggressive sport- it is why I like it. I am all for player safety, however there needs to be an acknowledgement of risk and the avoidance of nerfing.

Edit: also KO's and PO's can be big momentum plays, either with big returns or turnovers. This isn't something we want to get rid of.
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40% of all Kickoffs have some kind of return. Think about about that on a per game basis... If there are 10 total per game (which is probably high), that means 4 have any kind of return, and the average return only gets the offense to start at the 21-22 yard line, so it actually hurts offensive field position. Add to that, the fact that statistically, KOs almost never get returned for a TD, so they aren't this game changing play you think they are. I wouldn't be opposed to keeping KOs for the opening play of the game and opening play of the half, but getting rid of them after scores.

Also, this shouldn't just be looked at as a safety issue; this should be viewed as progress in speeding these games up, fewer commercials, and increased ratings. Think about the the time between a team scoring a TD and the opposing team starting on offense. The team scores, the XP is kicked, they go to a 3 minute commercial break. They come back for the KO and then go to another 3 minute commercial break. I'd bet the whole process from TD to next offensive snap is close to 10-15 minutes of real time. If you eliminate one of those commercial breaks, that potentially reduces the time of a game by 30 minutes, assuming there are around 10 KOs per game.
 
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