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Official realignment thread - SEC formally invites OU and Texas to join the conference in 2025
Almost 20 million dollars says otherwise
BerkeleyBuff
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LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
Contraction not expansion as being the next wave of realignment.
San Jose State just demolished one side of the stadium and will leave the hill up with grass on it plus no one will be using that hill to watch the games this season. Maybe the MWC moves first by giving SJSU the boot.
ahoelsken
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They're bound to get raided at some point-I've been saying UNLV will wind up in the Pac 12 after the Raiders get settled in Vegas. I don't see SJSU getting booted from that league, but I could definitely see them trying to copy Utah State and getting FHCMM to try and come back because that is a very difficult place to win and he knows how to be successful there.
I'd welcome UNLV with open arms.
Who would we contract? Oregon State? A founding member of the conference with solid baseball and women’s basketball programs?
The PAC 12 isn’t contracting. Every school contributes something. Thankfully for us, temporary football sucktitude isn’t a reason to be removed from the conference.
On the subject of UNLV, they’d be a good geographical fit and would add a large and growing media market to the footprint. With the football and basketball championships both in Las Vegas, adding UNLV wouldn’t be the worst choice. I’d prefer they were more competitive athletically, but there’s potential there.
The thing that gives me hope about UNLV was just how much that town came out to support the Golden Knights the last two years, clearly they were deprived of big time sporting events. Now they are getting awfully close to being a very saturated sports market which is what plagues this conference right now since the Raiders are coming to town so it might not be worth it anymore. We need more markets like Salt Lake City and Portland. That is why OU and Texas are so important. Oklahoma City, Austin and San Antonio are all sports markets dominated by those two teams not to mention how they full eyeballs from Dallas and Houston.
Isn't it? They're awesome! You're welcome.
I believe there would be interest in the AZ schools leaving for the XII. I couldn't find a reference, but I recall reading back in the early 1990's that there were more Big 10 alumni in the state of Arizona than Pac 12 alumni. Your point about recruiting TX is also very valid.
The notion of the Pac 12 breaking up doesn't sit well with me, or I suspect, most AB members. But I agree it's a risk. Losing the AZ schools would be devastating, leaving the Pac as a 10 member conference with the options we've discussed several times before.
what's also scary is the idea of a 'first mover' advantage. if the XII "fills" their slots with AU and ASU, where does that leave for CU to go?
this leads to more pure speculation, if the Pac breaks up, where do the rest of the schools land? I guess any of the other P5 conference could conceivably create a new pod or division based system that makes the big geographic stretch a bit more palatable, but without such a significant restructuring, none of the west-coast schools seem like a fit for the other conferences.
At first thought the idea of the Big XII expanding with 2 schools from the same state seems odd but based on the bolded part above it might make sense for the Big 10 to own the entire Phoenix metro area for viewership. And even though that's from 25 or so years ago I'm sure a significant portion of Phoenix's growing population is coming from the upper Midwest.
BerkeleyBuff
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For all those who apparently don't know, Swaim is very well known in Oklahoma and Texas for always, and I mean always, being completely full of ****.
ahoelsken
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I want to respond to this with a couple things-
1. The Arizona speculation: If those two to the Big 12 becomes reality, I expect WVU to move on from that league. Their travel expenses for their non-revenue sports are an issue already, and adding Arizona and ASU only compounds it. When WVU does leave, option one for the Big 12 is to probably re-invite us.
2. Expansion in general and how it impacts CU/The Pac 12: CU will have a home in a Power 5 conference-This school is the big dog college sports wise in the Denver metro area. Second, even if the Pac 12 loses UA/ASU, I expect the core of the conference to stay together in some shape. The schools in the coastal states (referring to the Cali schools, Washington, and Oregon) aren't going anywhere. If the Arizonas go, I would expect raiding of the MWC to happen. I think we all think UNLV will become a Pac 12 member at some point after the Raiders get to Vegas, so let's exclude that. Does a Boise become a serious conversation in that hypothetical? Maybe. I think BYU would be a must add at that point-don't they basically play a Pac 12 schedule in football as it is?
3. On the overall health of this conference: I don't think Pac 12 ever breaks up, but I'm really concerned about the health of the league. Larry got his ass kicked in the last round of TV negotiations. P12N is a disaster. This Asia nonsense is a huge waste of time IMO-and its thankfully dying. The football games in Australia haven't happened since 17 IIRC, and the basketball game in China is on life support.
BerkeleyBuff
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While everyone likes to point out that WVU is a geographical outlier, they will never leave the Big XII for one simple reason: they have nowhere else to go. The B1G won't take their academics, they won't generate enough new money to be profitable for the SEC, and the ACC had made it clear multiple times that they aren't taking them.
I don't think the ACC has made that point clear. Especially with Maryland's departure, WVU is the most promising candidate w/r/t restoring the WMA market share lost to the B1G. And with Louisville, the ACC made it clear that academics is no longer a consideration. I do think "the school that Thomas Jefferson founded" would have to seriously hold their collective nose to bring themselves to a vote admitting the couch-burners, however. Addition of WVU also brings Pitt's top rival into the conference. lastly, for those projecting 16-team pod-based conferences (I am not), this sets up a nice geographical grouped pod with WVU, Pitt, Notre Dame (I believe they'll be full time members by 2025) and Louisville.
ahoelsken
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I think you can make the same comment with the B1G and Nebraska-Yes, they're a better academic school than WVU is, but they're far and away the worst academic university of the 14 in that league.
Same for Florida. I dont know if BigTen alums outnumber SEC (UF) or ACC (FSU) alums. But, like Arizona, Florida is a destination for midwest retirees. As a kid it seemed like what was on on Saturdays were mostly Big Ten games. You only saw Pac teams or Big 8 teams that were top 25 or until bowl season. Miami and FSU were independents so no conference ties for TV. UF was the only program with conference ties to the SEC.
This post should not be ignored.
If there is a conference in danger of imploding it is the B12. A number of people in the media are glad to shill for the big boys in the conference in order to maintain the image of viability and strength in the conference.
Look at it from this standpoint. If the PAC12 were to dissolve which schools would not be serious candidates for a major conference? Maybe Oregon State and Washington State. The rest would have at least one if not more suitors.
If the B12 were to dissolve how many major conferences would be willing to take on Iowa State? Kansas State? Kansas (and yes I know basketball but football drives the money train,) TCU, TTU, Baylor.
No other conference including the ACC is as top heavy as the B12 with UT, OU, OSU (partly on the OU coattails.) and then a bunch of schools that don't move the needle.
Colorado TV market. There’s value in it, particularly from a forward looking perspective. It’s not just about recent success of athletic programs.
John Wilner had a really interesting article about how different forces are driving the next round of realignment. Worth a read.
The NCAA has been steadily losing influence for years. As a governing body, they’re a paper tiger. If they actually decided to put the hammer down on a school like Alabama or Ohio State, they would soon find themselves in charge of a bunch of D-2 schools.