Five years is long term.
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Mel Tucker leaves CU for Michigan State
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Five years is long term.
Is Clay Helton now the 2nd longest tenured coach in the Pac-12 after Whittngham?
5 years is an eternity to keep a head coach these days.
Edit: I think he's 3rd after Shaw.
jizzrag85
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Compared to the masses, sure. Long term to me would be 10 years.
If they get to 2 bowl games in a row and a blue blood comes calling, i will tip my cap and thank him for what he's helped accomplish.
Wouldn’t be shocked. If so, hopefully it’s because he had been successful here and he built a sustainable culture of winning. I can live with positive change.
I know this comp is used a lot but I just hope for a Wisconsin situation for CU. A down year being 7-5 and a coach who is satisfied building and maintaining a non-blue blood. Although I admit that Chryst is probably not seen as a candidate for a blue blood type program due to the unique nature of the Wisconsin program and success.
a few thoughts, as i was around when we got good under Mac.
first, it was clear that the team was dramatically improving and that was why he got the extension from marolt. it was widely unpopular with the faculty and much of the student body as we hadn't won in years. but, there were signs of life, like now.
next, once we started winning, lots of programs took a run at Mac. he came close to going to smu because of his faith and their then-nearly hopeless situation. i think he wanted to show the world he could do what he did at CU again. but, he stayed and we won a NC. he got the so-called lifetime contract because he realized he had it as good as he would at any other major program. at that time, we were a solid top 10 program. had he stayed a couple more years we would have won another one.
it took a series of **** ups, bad intentions, and ****ty luck to take us down when he left. skippy was the wrong hire at the wrong time. but, it would be misremembering to suggest that forces were not conspiring agains the program. Mac leaving set off a lot of pent up anger among the football haters. it just did.
the fundamental issue was that there isn't a large enough hard core base of fans to muscle through it all. we're not an sec team. we're not texas or oklahoma or the fuskers. so, mismanagement and bad luck opened the door. we didn't keep up in the facilities race; we made bad hires; we didn't compete in support services.
i wanted us to go to the pac for years (and i am not alone in that). had we moved when the program was stronger, a lot of the **** we have seen could have been avoided. but, we didn't and that certainly compounded our woes.
rg is a for real, major program AD. tucker is a for real, major program head coach. we'll need to catch some breaks too (like clemson did- -you think dabo is just so ****ing smart? they caught a few breaks and capitalized). put the pieces in place, tune out the noise, and work. the p12 is weak enough that there is an opportunity.
i'm glad tucker is still here. one year and out would have hurt us badly (and wouldn't have helped him either). he can win here. let's hope he does. it would be a spectacularly ****ty series of unfortunate events for us to blow the post-tucker stuff as badly as we did the post- Mac years.
first, it was clear that the team was dramatically improving and that was why he got the extension from marolt. it was widely unpopular with the faculty and much of the student body as we hadn't won in years. but, there were signs of life, like now.
next, once we started winning, lots of programs took a run at Mac. he came close to going to smu because of his faith and their then-nearly hopeless situation. i think he wanted to show the world he could do what he did at CU again. but, he stayed and we won a NC. he got the so-called lifetime contract because he realized he had it as good as he would at any other major program. at that time, we were a solid top 10 program. had he stayed a couple more years we would have won another one.
it took a series of **** ups, bad intentions, and ****ty luck to take us down when he left. skippy was the wrong hire at the wrong time. but, it would be misremembering to suggest that forces were not conspiring agains the program. Mac leaving set off a lot of pent up anger among the football haters. it just did.
the fundamental issue was that there isn't a large enough hard core base of fans to muscle through it all. we're not an sec team. we're not texas or oklahoma or the fuskers. so, mismanagement and bad luck opened the door. we didn't keep up in the facilities race; we made bad hires; we didn't compete in support services.
i wanted us to go to the pac for years (and i am not alone in that). had we moved when the program was stronger, a lot of the **** we have seen could have been avoided. but, we didn't and that certainly compounded our woes.
rg is a for real, major program AD. tucker is a for real, major program head coach. we'll need to catch some breaks too (like clemson did- -you think dabo is just so ****ing smart? they caught a few breaks and capitalized). put the pieces in place, tune out the noise, and work. the p12 is weak enough that there is an opportunity.
i'm glad tucker is still here. one year and out would have hurt us badly (and wouldn't have helped him either). he can win here. let's hope he does. it would be a spectacularly ****ty series of unfortunate events for us to blow the post-tucker stuff as badly as we did the post- Mac years.
one of the best recaps I have seen as I was at Cu during the climb under Mac. The combination of circumstances that brought CU down is really unimaginable if you go back to 89 thru 94. Just unimaginable. Perfect storm as they say.
Judith Albino made taking down CU athletics a personal goal. I can't think of a single program that didn't decline under her tenure. And then Buffalo Betsy.... sigh.
I don't know enough about this current ****nut other than hiring him pissed off basically everybody. I hope he just stays the **** out of the way, and tells Phil to do the same.
Blackdynamite
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Unleash Hell
Well-Known Member
The Media sucks, especially our local media. It’s a damn shame our own media always talks Broncos and only piles on CU when something negative happens. This is a big part of why it has been such a struggle for CU to be great again. The lack of support from our own media.
You’re not wrong about the media but it’s definitely not a big part of why CU has struggled.
pcbuff
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CU created our programs issues. The media scrutiny is minimal compared to most college markets. The Front Range loves a winner. Put up an 8 win season and see what happens. Put up two in a row and you’ll start to see momentum like never before. The metroplex has more than doubled in size since CU was killing it. If Tucker gets the snowball rolling, it will build quickly.
Unleash Hell
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I disagree, it all goes back to the recruiting scandal and how the media handled that. Is it the only reason CU has struggled? No, but the media is a big part
what? Relevance to this situation?
Also, MSU is ****ed. That lawsuit must be horrible.
Are you still blaming the scandal a decade and a half later? Dude. Move on and stop blaming anyone other than CU and the terrible decisions made by the Athletic Directors, administration and head football coaches.
At some point it's on CU. Time to sack up, grow up, and stop whining.
Blackdynamite
Well-Known Member
Time to return the favor!
Do they look at McElwain?
13 straight years of Dan Hawkins, Jon Embree and Mike MacIntyre, along with ~10 of those years showing recruits facilities that were only marginally better than what they had at their high schools. But.... Media's fault.
What happened with Tucker over the weekend wasn’t negative for CU.
They screen all new posts for approval, apparently.
Yep
Media swarmed during the end of the Barnett era, but it was CU that put blood in the water with a series of disastrous PR blunders.
I personally believe a good AD is more important for success than any other position. A good AD can make a hiring mistake, but they don’t compound it and are willing to change. Mike Bohn was a terrible AD. Tharp wasn’t good either. Bill Marolt, however, was a badass.
I personally believe a good AD is more important for success than any other position. A good AD can make a hiring mistake, but they don’t compound it and are willing to change. Mike Bohn was a terrible AD. Tharp wasn’t good either. Bill Marolt, however, was a badass.
CPVbuff
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And Rick is in the Bill Marolt category
I suppose Tucker could have met with MSU Friday morning before heading to CA, although that would be inconsistent with the DFP report that came out Friday night that he was "set to interview".