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Karl Dorrell officially named Colorado HC

goalline said:
Dorrell’s first task will be to get buy in from the most recent class. Then, we’ll see about his recruiting after that. I’m willing to watch what happens.
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In addition to the recent class he needs to sell the returning players on his vision. If the team is to have a winning record and bowl in 2020 than the returning players are the most impotent.

To a point Duff made earlier, Coach Dorrell had better spend some time at the press conference talking about recruiting in addition to developing players. His strongest suit is developing players so he does need to make sure to talk about it.
 
I've let this hire sink in for a day now. At the end of the day I'll always be a fan and supporter of CU athletics and football primarily. I have a lot of good memories like Eric Bienemy and Kanavis McGhee coming to my elementary school and watching our amazing teams in the 90's.

Right now I'm still underwhelmed by the hire. I'll start to feel better if I see the following:

1) Re-recruiting the incoming class. He has a semi-captive audience right now with the incoming recruits. If he can keep them onboard and get them excited about the future of CU football this will go a long way with helping me feel better about the hire.

2) How he handles the Chiaverini situation. I'm not cool with losing DC because of his recruiting and if like to see him mentored in to becoming the heir apparent and the next HC if he can grow in to that position. If he can get DC back on board without giving up too much (like game day play calling) I'll consider this a big win.

3) Can he attract high quality assistants with solid recruiting credentials? I don't think that KD needs to be a lights out recruiter if he can CEO the sh1t out of his assistants. If you have a staff of good recruiters and show good game day coaching and some 7-8 win seasons then the job becomes easier and getting to that 10-12 win season becomes realistic.

I do think that from a game day perspective KD could be a better coach that F_ucker but this is a critical season. If we don't go bowling we're looking at some major challenges.
 
dio said:
Exactly, we had 6 years of consistent McIntyre. One magical season, surrounded by missed bowl games and subpar recruiting.
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McIntyre's problem is not his consistency, but the lack of the recruiting. If he can have consistent top 35 class, he probably still is CU's coach and lots of us are still feeling fine.
 
2001Grad said:
I've let this hire sink in for a day now. At the end of the day I'll always be a fan and supporter of CU athletics and football primarily. I have a lot of good memories like Eric Bienemy and Kanavis McGhee coming to my elementary school and watching our amazing teams in the 90's.

Right now I'm still underwhelmed by the hire. I'll start to feel better if I see the following:

1) Re-recruiting the incoming class. He has a semi-captive audience right now with the incoming recruits. If he can keep them onboard and get them excited about the future of CU football this will go a long way with helping me feel better about the hire.

2) How he handles the Chiaverini situation. I'm not cool with losing DC because of his recruiting and if like to see him mentored in to becoming the heir apparent and the next HC if he can grow in to that position. If he can get DC back on board without giving up too much (like game day play calling) I'll consider this a big win.

3) Can he attract high quality assistants with solid recruiting credentials? I don't think that KD needs to be a lights out recruiter if he can CEO the sh1t out of his assistants. If you have a staff of good recruiters and show good game day coaching and some 7-8 win seasons then the job becomes easier and getting to that 10-12 win season becomes realistic.

I do think that from a game day perspective KD could be a better coach that F_ucker but this is a critical season. If we don't go bowling we're looking at some major challenges.
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Cool with all these thoughts except the bold. As Nik said on the other thread, I honestly don't see what is supposed to make me think Chev is HC material. He's been a slid recruiter, a decent position coach, a bad coordinator, doesn't have many connections, and seems to display a bit of lack of maturity here and there. If he grows into a HC type, I think it will take a decade plus.
 
Duff Man said:
6-6 floor sounds nice if he actually recruits. Like Adam said in a post last night, he needs to say he is willing to recruit top talent to CU. If all you hear is about "developing" talent, it will be a huge red flag.
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Those were stated goals of ADRG.

I would hope that KD said those things during the interview process explicitly and that ADRG made sure that this hire matched his goals. If not that would scream 'panic hire' and we should all be worried.
 
I'm sitting here trying to figure out why we fired Mike MacIntyre instead of forcing staff changes on him.

I supported firing him and it made sense when it was a move to a Mel Tucker type who is a salesman and had experience at the programs we'd want to emulate.

It was about the recruiting and the organizational structure & culture to build a champion program at CU again.

I don't see how the Dorell hire is about those same things.
 
Big Jim said:
Me too, that is why I’m ok with hiring Dorrell. I see him as raising the floor of the program which means bowl games on a regular basis. I don’t see the higher ceiling of a Tucker or Sark.
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Yes. For starters, and at a minimum, if KD can get the program to a 6-Win Floor then we can go up from there....I don't relish going to the Cheezit Bowl as a 6-6 team but as a beginning it would be preferable to 5-7. What's interesting to me is who among the higher profile Tucker recruits make a splash for the Buffs in 2020...
 
Buffnik said:
I'm sitting here trying to figure out why we fired Mike MacIntyre instead of forcing staff changes on him.

I supported firing him and it made sense when it was a move to a Mel Tucker type who is a salesman and had experience at the programs we'd want to emulate.

It was about the recruiting and the organizational structure & culture to build a champion program at CU again.

I don't see how the Dorell hire is about those same things.
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You are assuming Dorell values recruiting similarly as McIntyre. None of us know if that's the case or not.
 
Not very excited by Dorrell except for the fact that we hired him over Mora.

Mora stinks. Lost every where. Could recruit but his teams were excruciatingly undisciplined and weakwilled. That’s all on the coach.

if you want a media sound bite, he’s your guy.
 
90sBuff said:
I don’t think it’s too much to ask to have our AD hire a coach who has some exciting positive trajectory or momentum. What is exciting or makes you feel like we’re headed toward greatness with this hire?
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Appealing to 35 year old fans is pretty low on the list of what I want the AD to be concerned about when hiring a HC.
 
Buffnik said:
I'm sitting here trying to figure out why we fired Mike MacIntyre instead of forcing staff changes on him.

I supported firing him and it made sense when it was a move to a Mel Tucker type who is a salesman and had experience at the programs we'd want to emulate.

It was about the recruiting and the organizational structure & culture to build a champion program at CU again.

I don't see how the Dorell hire is about those same things.
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We fired MM because of his record and because the loss to OSU indicated he was a poor motivator and game day coach.
 
Big Jim said:
In addition to the recent class he needs to sell the returning players on his vision. If the team is to have a winning record and bowl in 2020 than the returning players are the most impotent.

To a point Duff made earlier, Coach Dorrell had better spend some time at the press conference talking about recruiting in addition to developing players. His strongest suit is developing players so he does need to make sure to talk about it.
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He needs to talk about it.
He needs to hire rock solid recruiters.
 
cnbuff410 said:
You are assuming Dorell values recruiting similarly as McIntyre. None of us know if that's the case or not.
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It's about the only assumption I can make until I hear & see differently. He wasn't known as a great recruiter in college and he spent the past 12 years in the NFL except for a year when Derek Mason hired him for his first staff at Vanderbilt and fired him after 1 season.

I just spent 5 minutes re-watching a Vanderbilt interview with some mic'd up practice stuff and player comments heading into his Vandy season. He comes across as very smart and a consummate professional. I could see him doing well as an NFL HC or at a college program that sold itself. I'm having trouble seeing this working at CU based on how much selling is required here to get a lot of positive media coverage, booster support, fan attendance and to attract recruits. Our HC needs to be a beacon, imo. Also, we have budget constraints and I wonder if we have the juice to hire the innovative coordinators and dynamic recruiters a guy like Dorrell needs.

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Committed & Trained: Karl Dorrell

http://www.vucommodores.com - Offensive coordinator Karl Dorrell is featured as part of an in-depth series focusing on Vanderbilt's 2014 football coaching staff.
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manhattanbuf said:
I will not be giving again this season. I was sold a bill of goods. The current hire does not match the expectations that the AD told me (and others) were his expectations for the football program.
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So don't dude. If you can't see that RG didn't have a whole lot of choices given the situation and parameters then you have blinders on that no one here can take off.
 
Buffnik said:
I'm sitting here trying to figure out why we fired Mike MacIntyre instead of forcing staff changes on him.
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That may be the worst, irrational, emotional outbursts I’ve seen from you. You know damn well that once a coach quits on his team that there is never a way back from it. Rewatch the OSU game and then get back to me.
 
So I looked up UCLA total offense and defense during his tenure and they were all over the place. One season averaging 40 points a game and one season averaging 20 points a game. Basically same for defense. And it wasn’t really a trend one way or the other, so I couldn’t find any consistency to point to. Just don’t know what to think.
 
It's been said before, but let's see how he emphasizes recruiting. Tucker's biggest impact during his all too short tenure here was his focus on recruiting. Both from an effort and resources standpoint.

If we don't see a similar importance applied to recruiting, then brace yourselves for mediocrity. If we do emphasize recruiting, we should have better West coast connections during a time when USC is down. That could be fun.
 
Big Jim said:
Me too, that is why I’m ok with hiring Dorrell. I see him as raising the floor of the program which means bowl games on a regular basis. I don’t see the higher ceiling of a Tucker or Sark.
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You hated MacIntyre for being a "raise the floor but won't get us to the ceiling" type as a HC. What's the difference for you with Dorrell?
 
c502cid said:
So don't dude. If you can't see that RG didn't have a whole lot of choices given the situation and parameters then you have blinders on that no one here can take off.
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The AD had other options. We chose not to pursue those options.

As I mentioned, I won’t donate this year. The AD is not committed to his own statement of the department’s expectations.
 
BuffsNYC said:
Appealing to 35 year old fans is pretty low on the list of what I want the AD to be concerned about when hiring a HC.
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That’s why our stadium is half empty. you don’t think it’s important to think of the fan base? Isn’t the public who buys the tickets?? I guess they don’t matter
 
For all the people saying RG promised we would compete for championships and feel lied to, now you know what Mel was going through. He was promised admin would admit athletes and then had multiple recruits not get in. He was promised higher salaries for coaches and they didn't deliver on that either. CU admin gives no ****s about competing for national championships.
 
Buffnik said:
You hated MacIntyre for being a "raise the floor but won't get us to the ceiling" type as a HC. What's the difference for you with Dorrell?
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I hated MacIntyre because he brought his entire D2 staff, refused to fire deadbeats, gave his kid a scholarship when not on single other P5 school would, gave a D3 coach the ST coordinator job to satisfy a headhunter and used the D3 coach to justify giving his kid a scholarship, pretended to be a shirtsleeve Christian and showed his stripes with the entire handling of his coach beating the livi **** out of his girlfriend over-and-over-and over again.

Oh yeah, and recruiting. I hated MacIntyre because of his recruiting too.

MacIntyre’s floor wasn’t 5-7, that was his ceiling.
 
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