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Dan Hawkins and the track team

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This may be old news to some, but this was the first I've heard of it. I ran into a guy who lives here in town who is up at CU right now on the track team. Apparently Hawkins forbids his players from running track in the offseason. :rolling_eyes:

I cannot fathom why he would do such a thing. They're going to be running and working out anyway, why not encourage participation with the track team? Is he afraid the team will get faster?:wow:
 
Track season does bump into spring practices.
I could see how allegiances might be pulled.

It was great seeing Hugh Charles pull it off his senior year.
 
Track season does bump into spring practices.
I could see how allegiances might be pulled.

It was great seeing Hugh Charles pull it off his senior year.

According to the person I spoke with, the practice times do not conflict. And if they do, then the player goes to football. It's not really that hard.

Apparently Speedy came out to a few track practices without Hawk's OK last spring. Hawk found out about it and ripped the track coach a new one.
 
Probably why the track team is not as good. I know that several Football players ran track previously. I think when Hugh Charles was a senior he helped them win the Big 12 meet.
 
According to the person I spoke with, the practice times do not conflict. And if they do, then the player goes to football. It's not really that hard.

Apparently Speedy came out to a few track practices without Hawk's OK last spring. Hawk found out about it and ripped the track coach a new one.

That's too bad. If Rodney want's to run track, it's too bad something couldn't be worked out.

Maybe there is more to this, purhaps some NCAA compliance issue or something overly bureaucratic.

Seems to me that Wetmore is as good a coach that the CUAD has. Would I trust Wetmore to help Pittman out? Absolutely. Just having the FB team integrate a few practice sessions could pay dividends.
 
I back checked hugh charles just to see and it looks like hawk let him compete in 2006, so maybe it is a new thing.
 
Wow. That's weird. Unless there is some rule against it, which I doubt since there have been numerous CFB players who have run track in college, I don't understand. It was only HS, but our FB coach in TX practically mandated ALL FB players, even the big uglies, to go out for track on the theory that you ran in FB, and if the track coach could teach you to run faster, better or more efficienty, it would help your FB performance. But as we know, Hawk has a plan, this isn't his first rodeo, and he knows how to do this deal. I am sure he knows better than anyone else.:rolling_eyes:
 
Should not be an issue. If a kid is good enough to score points at a conference meet, let him compete.
 
Wasn't Ryan Miller throwing shot for the track team? Is that banned now too or just running events?
 
The reasoning could be that he just does not want too much on a kid's plate, especially relating to academics. I'd assume, but don't know, that the football guys have to concentrate their heaviest acadeimic load in the spring. Its hard enough to keep kids acacemically eligible. Maybe he just wants them to concentrate, as much as possible, on academics.
 
The reasoning could be that he just does not want too much on a kid's plate, especially relating to academics. I'd assume, but don't know, that the football guys have to concentrate their heaviest acadeimic load in the spring. Its hard enough to keep kids acacemically eligible. Maybe he just wants them to concentrate, as much as possible, on academics.

:wow:

baghdad bob to the rescue
 
if i'm Wetmore i prolly see myself being around CU a bit longer than DH. pretty much as long as i want to be. sounds like Speedy is the one who ought to be getting an OK, here. just to say it....without knowing all the circumstances. maybe it's a fear of injury thing...we have gone from "loaded" to pretty thin at RB. And: i've seen on recruiting sites where 4 star Player X chooses to go to University of ABCD (there's a Nebraska joke here.....just waiting...or maybe NU would be "ABCE") with the proviso he gets to tryout for the hoops team or play baseball and then it never happens. Coach decides it ain't gonna play like that.
 
Cliff Branch and Larry Brunson ran track. CB was one of the fastest men in world at the time. There is no reason why a football player can't participate in spring sports outside of football practice as long as academics are taken care of properly. Bobby Anderson, John Stearns and several others also played baseball. Stearns actually went on to have a major league baseball career instead of football.

Did someone mention a book called "football coaching for dummies" somewhere in this thread?
 
The NCAA monitors the food costs at the training table. And when a football player participates in track, the accounting gets extra tricky. It's just not worth the risk of losing a scholarship over something like that.:huh::rolling_eyes:
 
The NCAA monitors the food costs at the training table. And when a football player participates in track, the accounting gets extra tricky. It's just not worth the risk of losing a scholarship over something like that.:huh::rolling_eyes:

Only for walk-ons.
 
Why would CU want to do anything to try and improve team speed, agility, or overall conditioning of the football players. None of those things fit into Hawkins plans.
 
The NCAA monitors the food costs at the training table. And when a football player participates in track, the accounting gets extra tricky. It's just not worth the risk of losing a scholarship over something like that.:huh::rolling_eyes:

Not sure if you are serious or not, but it is incredibly lame if the AD is using this as a justification for not having players competing in both sports. It is pretty clear that a guy can compete in both and the scholarship is charged to the football team. Several top 10 teams have key contributors running track.
 
I think the main reason to not allow football players to run track is INJURIES.

What good would a football player be if he reported to camp with a hamstring / ankle injury which essentially sidelined him for the entire beginning of the season?


There was a time when CU's athletes could handle this sort of thing, but that time is long past. CU's athletes are an injury just waiting to happen, now-a-days.
 
Not sure if you are serious or not, but it is incredibly lame if the AD is using this as a justification for not having players competing in both sports. It is pretty clear that a guy can compete in both and the scholarship is charged to the football team. Several top 10 teams have key contributors running track.

He was joking...

I think the main reason to not allow football players to run track is INJURIES.

What good would a football player be if he reported to camp with a hamstring / ankle injury which essentially sidelined him for the entire beginning of the season?


There was a time when CU's athletes could handle this sort of thing, but that time is long past. CU's athletes are an injury just waiting to happen, now-a-days.

I don't think this is it. Hawk let J-fly j-ski with Josh Smith the XCountry skier. At that time his philosophy was live life and don't worry about what "could" happen. See, e.g., Hawk jumping out of a plane. If Hawkins is worried about injuries, it is a newly developed paranoia.

I think it is about time. Hawkins seems to prefer cerebral players to physical players, so time should be spent on class and football only. Stay eligible and know the playbook/watch film to become a better mental football player.

Personally, I think it is a stupid rule.
 
I think the main reason to not allow football players to run track is INJURIES.

So we're now worried about players hurting themselves running? How are they supposed to keep in shape? Or is one form of running inherently more dangerous than another?

Sounds like we should get rid of lifting weights, too. That **** can be dangerous!
 
I ran into a guy who lives here in town who is up at CU right now on the track team.

As much as I'd LOVE to have another reason to vilify Mr. Hawkins again (he still hasn't earned the title "Coach"), I think it'd be nice to get a slightly more reputable source than what's quoted above for this item.
 
As much as I'd LOVE to have another reason to vilify Mr. Hawkins again (he still hasn't earned the title "Coach"), I think it'd be nice to get a slightly more reputable source than what's quoted above for this item.

I could tell you who he is, but since he and I did not discuss me putting his name out there, I will not disclose it. Great kid, though. We talked for about an hour.

If you don't want to believe me, don't believe me. I'm not going to out the kid just to make you believe me.
 
I thought Neuheisel or Barnett also had this rule. I seem to remember thinking how crazy it was for some of our speed not to be on the track team (like many other schools). Too lazy to look it up - I just don't remember that many football players being on the track team for more years than just Hawkins' tenure.
 
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