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And the mack-10 blows up in 3..2..

BinaryBuff said:
Can't be long until UT goes independent or the other schools don't want to deal with them.
http://texas.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1148672

$12 million TV deal on top of their conference revenues? Yeah, that's gonna go over well.
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they will need to do better than home losses to UCLA, ISU and Baylor to pull a 12 mill audience for long. advertisers will pull out. all those die-hard horn yahoos that bought UT gear at the Quick Trip on the Interstate outside New Braunfels in 05 will go back to being Cowboys fans.
 
Lot's of happy schools in the Mack 10. UT effectively just told them they are in the conference for scheduling purposes and that is all.
 
Congrats to UT on this move. If they can pull this off without their conference exploding more power to them. I'm glad we left though. The thing UT needs to consider is what the long-term ramifications to this are. OU won't be too pleased unless they can pull this off as well. You know aTm is already jealous of their bigger brother and already threatened to leave. No one else in the conference really has the weight or gumption to leave.

I could definitely see a scenario where UT goes independent and has to pay huge cash to get people to go to Austin, especially since few teams would want to schedule a juggernaut like UT OOC at the BCS level, even in a 1-1 deal. They aren't the Domers, but are sure acting like it. If not handled well, this could devastate their program almost beyond repair.
 
NMBuff said:
Congrats to UT on this move. If they can pull this off without their conference exploding more power to them. I'm glad we left though. The thing UT needs to consider is what the long-term ramifications to this are. OU won't be too pleased unless they can pull this off as well. You know aTm is already jealous of their bigger brother and already threatened to leave. No one else in the conference really has the weight or gumption to leave.

I could definitely see a scenario where UT goes independent and has to pay huge cash to get people to go to Austin, especially since few teams would want to schedule a juggernaut like UT OOC at the BCS level, even in a 1-1 deal. They aren't the Domers, but are sure acting like it. If not handled well, this could devastate their program almost beyond repair.
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Man, that would hurt the hell out of my feelings.
 
This type of stuff is not going to endear Congress and the Justice Department regarding college footballs tax exempt and anti-trust status. UT has no shame when it comes to displaying their greed. That said...the report on these "numbers" is coming from Chip Brown so they may be a tad...umm...overstated.
 
I think it's outrageous that they are trying to generate revenue and maximize their potential!!! Everyone should be the same!!!!

Workers unite!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Crush them Obama!!!

While we're at it, I don't think it's fair to keep score in football games or to give students grades.
 
HornBuff said:
I think it's outrageous that they are trying to generate revenue and maximize their potential!!! Everyone should be the same!!!!

Workers unite!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Crush them Obama!!!

While we're at it, I don't think it's fair to keep score in football games or to give students grades.
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Hey, if UT can make a ton of cash on their own, great for them. However, there is no way that aTm will continue to sit around and take it. Same with OU. Let UT make all the cash they can and when yet another conference crumbles because of UT, too bad. But hey, at least you'll always have your loyal BFF Baylor!
 
HornBuff said:
I think it's outrageous that they are trying to generate revenue and maximize their potential!!! Everyone should be the same!!!!

Workers unite!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Crush them Obama!!!

While we're at it, I don't think it's fair to keep score in football games or to give students grades.
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Yes they have a right to try to maximize revenue. But at some point if you're in a sports league conference don't you need to have the teams on something of an even playing field...otherwise what's the point? UT might as well just go off and become an NFL expansion team. The endgame for a scenario like this is a super-conference of 20-30 schools that rotate the national championship between themselves and everybody else getting the right play patsy for them, e.g. a new tier above of D1 with even fewer players. I don't think CU makes out to well in that scenario, particularly given that our administration has made it abundantly clear they don't have the ambition to do what it takes to play with big boys.
 
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Texas will do this because they can do this, and for all the complaining others may do there isn't much they can do about it because they need Texas enough that Texas can do this to them.

Where is Iowa State going to go without the Texas-12, I doubt the MWC would take them, maybe C-USA but they have no TV market. Kansas and K-State are in a similar situation. KU has a great BB program but their football doesn't get them into an AQ conference. Baylor, TT have no leverage without UT. OU has been mentioned for the SEC along with aTm but they are stuck with OSU and the SEC doesn't want them.

The deal works for Texas but is also the best available deal for most of the other schools. It may not sound fair but life isn't fair. Go to your local mall and try to rent a storefront. The cost per square foot is going to be exponentially higher than what the anchor stores pay if they don't actually own their footprint in the mall. Why is this? Because the mall relies on the anchors to bring people in, no anchor, no traffic, nobody rents the smaller spaces. For the rest of the Texas-10 it works the same. No Texas, and nobody cares if ISU, KU, KSU, BU, TT, OSU exist. OU and aTm are bigger draws and get a better deal but are still not in the same level as UT. This is why CSU and Wyoming are happy and lucky to be in the MWC. Their fans may love them but they don't have enough to justify a major conference membership. Sports fans may look at it from a sports standpoint but for the schools it is all business.
 
HornBuff said:
I think it's outrageous that they are trying to generate revenue and maximize their potential!!! Everyone should be the same!!!!

Workers unite!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Crush them Obama!!!

While we're at it, I don't think it's fair to keep score in football games or to give students grades.
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They have every right to maximize their revenue. But I find it odd you bash CU's decision to move to the Pac-10. Do you honestly think CU could compete in a league that is designed to heighten advantages Texas, Oklahoma, and A&M already own?
 
HornBuff said:
I think it's outrageous that they are trying to generate revenue and maximize their potential!!! Everyone should be the same!!!!

Workers unite!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Crush them Obama!!!

While we're at it, I don't think it's fair to keep score in football games or to give students grades.
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In case you hadn't noticed, the two strongest revenue conferences are the SEC and Big 10, both of which have equal revenue sharing for TV. Texas is more than welcome to generate more revenue from other sources outside of TV, but if you don't see the absolute retardedness of getting the lions share of conference revenue when you aren't even going to be on your conferences network often because you have your own network, then you are a moron.
 
HornBuff said:
I think it's outrageous that they are trying to generate revenue and maximize their potential!!! Everyone should be the same!!!!

Workers unite!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Crush them Obama!!!

While we're at it, I don't think it's fair to keep score in football games or to give students grades.
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Having a hard time with the concept of an athletic conference, are we?

The conference formerly known as the Big 12 was on life support before this, now it's in Hospice Care.
 
as noted above, i do wonder exactly what impact this will have on the b12 tv contract when it renews. the shorthorns' bitches from the north division are going to get paid even less than previously anticipated, i suspect.

ou and atm are not going to be pleased, either.

i wonder how long until some of these programs decide they'd rather die on their feet than on their knees, while fellating bevo?

CU and the fuskers leaving this sick puppy of a conference pretty much put the final nail in any semblance of equality or fair play.
 
buffedup said:
In case you hadn't noticed, the two strongest revenue conferences are the SEC and Big 10, both of which have equal revenue sharing for TV. Texas is more than welcome to generate more revenue from other sources outside of TV, but if you don't see the absolute retardedness of getting the lions share of conference revenue when you aren't even going to be on your conferences network often because you have your own network, then you are a moron.
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Not saying that I like what Texas is doing but it is a different situation. Even the weak sisters in the SEC and the Big 10 do significantly better in terms of revenue and national appeal than most of the Texas 10 schools.

In the long run the Big 10 and the SEC as well as the PAC12 will be much healthier conferences but the failure of the Texas-10 will be as much due to the weakness of the bottom as the greed of the top.
 
Pac-10 commissioner Larry Scott told the Big 12 schools he was courting in June (Texas, Texas Tech, Texas A&M, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and Colorado) they would receive $20 million in TV revenue as part of a conference network if they went west.

Texas would have had to give up plans for its own network because the conference network proposed by Scott would have required "all rights in," sources said.

Two Big 12 sources told Orangebloods.com Scott's numbers were overly aggressive, and that the TV revenue would have been closer to $18 million per school.

In either case, Texas has the chance to dwarf the numbers it would have earned in the Pac-10 with its anticipated combined haul in Big 12 TV revenue and its new deal with ESPN for the Longhorn Network.
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In other words, it's all about Texas.
 
MtnBuff said:
Not saying that I like what Texas is doing but it is a different situation. Even the weak sisters in the SEC and the Big 10 do significantly better in terms of revenue and national appeal than most of the Texas 10 schools.

In the long run the Big 10 and the SEC as well as the PAC12 will be much healthier conferences but the failure of the Texas-10 will be as much due to the weakness of the bottom as the greed of the top.
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They go hand in hand. If you have conference policies that deliberately favor schools that already have the advantages, what chance are you giving the bottom feeders to rise up? How do you get national appeal for the bottom feeders? By helping to even the playing field, competitive advantage.
 
Anyone else think this whole thing...not reducing the the buyout after CU and NU left, paying 4X - 6X what Fox sports was offering...looks like a big bribe to UT not to rock the boat by joining what could have been an incredibly powerful PAC 16 network? I think ESPN wanted to slap this thing down hard because if the PAC 16 had come to pass with their own network the SEC would be looking to follow the model and ESPN would have been left with the ACC, Big East, WAC, and Conf USA.
 
While it will put them in a much better financial position, I don't see it making a huge impact on their athletic success. Its not like they will have the financial resources to recruit any better than they do now. They will likely widen the facility gap more than it already is, but they still will get 95% of their recruits from inside a 400 mile radius of Austin and have a full class by the time they play their spring game.

The biggest difference I can see is that they will be able to pay their coaches more which would allow them to keep quality assistants longer than most, but they are only going to have 2 coordinators and at some point ambition drives a coach to want a promotion.
 
The Mack 10 would be better off without UT. Yes, I firmly believe this. Add BYU (who is about to find out just how difficult being an independent really is), TCU and Memphis to get back up to the 12 members, have equal revenue sharing, and go work a new TV deal without UT and their shenanigans. UT is the conference killer. They killed the SWC. They killed the Big 12 (as it was), and are about to kill the conference they just created. If I were a member institution of one of the little 9, I'd be considering kicking UT out. Yeah, they bring a lot of TV sets. So what? Those sets would still be there if they added TCU, coupled with OU and A&M and the other Texas schools. This conference is dead. The sooner they get rid of this cancer that is UT, the better off they'll all be. And if the Pac even THINKS about extending another invite to them, I'll firebomb Larry Scott's house myself.
 
This is an investment by ESPN to carry UT forever in my opinion. HUuuge win for Texas if these numbers are correct.

Meanwhile, Dan Bebee received a contract extension today through 2015... My question is, who is going to be paying his check in 2015 haha
 
SuperD said:
Anyone else think this whole thing...not reducing the the buyout after CU and NU left, paying 4X - 6X what Fox sports was offering...looks like a big bribe to UT not to rock the boat by joining what could have been an incredibly powerful PAC 16 network? I think ESPN wanted to slap this thing down hard because if the PAC 16 had come to pass with their own network the SEC would be looking to follow the model and ESPN would have been left with the ACC, Big East, WAC, and Conf USA.
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I think it is safe to assume ESPN was involved. $12 million per year anyone?
 
I believe Chip Brown has a long history of inflating or deflating #s as related to Texass... he thought they would get 35-40 mil from CU/kNU, and instead they got what, 18 mil? sooo I will go with the real # being closer to 5 to 6 mil until I hear this from someone NOT chip "I heat Mack's ****" brown.
 
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