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Please present an argument for Embree over EB

buffs04

Well-Known Member
I don't see one. It was critical for Bohn to make the right hire. He didn't. Again. Anything but a big splash in this situation was totally unacceptable. Recruiting and talent are our number one concerns. The consensus about EB is that he is an absolutely dynamite recruiter and a future hot commodity in cfb. We took... the other guy? Because he interviews well? This isn't a PR job. It's a football job. Mike Bohn is a PR guy. That's his problem; he thinks that because his speciality is PR over substance, that hiring a guy who may be a little rough around the edges but the potential to be an absolutely outstanding hire for the program is unacceptable when faced with the alternative of a no-name who won't stir up any trouble.

Bohn is targetting mediocrity. CU is going to be the laughing stock of the P12. We can fight with WSU for 11th place. Way to go. The choice was clear here. We have a limited budget and can't bring in a Nick Saban, so we had to roll the dice on a guy with the potential to bring in a ton of talent and turn this thing around. The national perception of CU that no one seems to want to acknowledge is that right now we are a JOKE program. Not bringing in a top-flight coach only perpetuates that.

I can't fault the Hawkins hire because it looked great on the surface. This time, however, the mistake is crystal clear. EB is the perfect hire for this job. We chose someone else for reasons that are absolutely not apparent to me. Perhaps I am missing something, but I don't think so.
 
I'd hate to be you. Pretty sure if we would have hired Belichick you would have bitched about him being too old.
 
Get real. You don't know how this will work out. We tried a big name hire the last time and it didn't work, just like we tried a big name hire before Mac and that didn't work. I like going in the family, it's something we have never really tried before (meaning former players). Jon Embree is a good recruiter too, and he has been around. It's time to get behind him or move on to a different team. He's our coach, and he will not be shooting for mediocrity. Plus, I bet we get both of them. I like the combo!
 
buffs04 said:
Care to make an actual argument, or does that lie outside of your skillset?
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The actual argument is you and I don't know **** about this or what Jon Embree really brings to the table. Mac has always had big praises for Embree and Mac was a master at finding good coaches. Look at his coaching tree.
 
buffs04 said:
I don't see one. It was critical for Bohn to make the right hire. He didn't. Again. Anything but a big splash in this situation was totally unacceptable. Recruiting and talent are our number one concerns. The consensus about EB is that he is an absolutely dynamite recruiter and a future hot commodity in cfb. We took... the other guy? Because he interviews well? This isn't a PR job. It's a football job. Mike Bohn is a PR guy. That's his problem; he thinks that because his speciality is PR over substance, that hiring a guy who may be a little rough around the edges but the potential to be an absolutely outstanding hire for the program is unacceptable when faced with the alternative of a no-name who won't stir up any trouble.

Bohn is targetting mediocrity. CU is going to be the laughing stock of the P12. We can fight with WSU for 11th place. Way to go. The choice was clear here. We have a limited budget and can't bring in a Nick Saban, so we had to roll the dice on a guy with the potential to bring in a ton of talent and turn this thing around. The national perception of CU that no one seems to want to acknowledge is that right now we are a JOKE program. Not bringing in a top-flight coach only perpetuates that.

I can't fault the Hawkins hire because it looked great on the surface. This time, however, the mistake is crystal clear. EB is the perfect hire for this job. We chose someone else for reasons that are absolutely not apparent to me. Perhaps I am missing something, but I don't think so.
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I can't wait to bring this post back up in a couple years. You are going to be proven so wrong.
 
I am NOT going over this again. Here is part of it: of the 15 buffs currently in the NFL, Embo recruited 5 of them. He left in 2002. FACT!

Edit: Corrected for grammar.
 
buffs04 said:
Care to make an actual argument, or does that lie outside of your skillset?
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Would you care to make an actual argument other than EB is the best "because he's a dynamite recruiter and future hot commodity." Seriously.

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Some other facts that would be nice:

1. How would EB have been a "big splash" hire in the grand scheme of things?
2. How would EB have been a better "football" as opposed to "PR" hire?
3. What made EB the "perfect" hire?
 
buffs04 said:
I don't see one. It was critical for Bohn to make the right hire. He didn't. Again. Anything but a big splash in this situation was totally unacceptable. Recruiting and talent are our number one concerns. The consensus about EB is that he is an absolutely dynamite recruiter and a future hot commodity in cfb. We took... the other guy? Because he interviews well? This isn't a PR job. It's a football job. Mike Bohn is a PR guy. That's his problem; he thinks that because his speciality is PR over substance, that hiring a guy who may be a little rough around the edges but the potential to be an absolutely outstanding hire for the program is unacceptable when faced with the alternative of a no-name who won't stir up any trouble.

Bohn is targetting mediocrity. CU is going to be the laughing stock of the P12. We can fight with WSU for 11th place. Way to go. The choice was clear here. We have a limited budget and can't bring in a Nick Saban, so we had to roll the dice on a guy with the potential to bring in a ton of talent and turn this thing around. The national perception of CU that no one seems to want to acknowledge is that right now we are a JOKE program. Not bringing in a top-flight coach only perpetuates that.

I can't fault the Hawkins hire because it looked great on the surface. This time, however, the mistake is crystal clear. EB is the perfect hire for this job. We chose someone else for reasons that are absolutely not apparent to me. Perhaps I am missing something, but I don't think so.
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Did you sit in on the interviews ?
 
buffs04 said:
Care to make an actual argument, or does that lie outside of your skillset?
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You realize you didn't make an actual argument for EB, right? You put a lot of hearsay and hopes in a post and called it an argument.
 
No with buffs04 as AD Bellotti, Richt, and Miles would be begging to be AC's at CU
 
buffs04 said:
I don't see one. It was critical for Bohn to make the right hire. He didn't. Again. Anything but a big splash in this situation was totally unacceptable. Recruiting and talent are our number one concerns. The consensus about EB is that he is an absolutely dynamite recruiter and a future hot commodity in cfb. We took... the other guy? Because he interviews well? This isn't a PR job. It's a football job. Mike Bohn is a PR guy. That's his problem; he thinks that because his speciality is PR over substance, that hiring a guy who may be a little rough around the edges but the potential to be an absolutely outstanding hire for the program is unacceptable when faced with the alternative of a no-name who won't stir up any trouble.
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Well, one positive - just heard Ringo say on Kreckman's show that McElwain lost a lot of points when at one point someone involved in the interview process said they had closed their eyes and McElwain sounded just like Hawk.
 
:dead-horse-fast2:

Why? Embree is the choice. Time to move on and support the guy.
 
Without knowing either guy personally, I wonder if Bohn doesn't feel that Jon Embreewill handle the media/booster/public relations part of the job more smoothly.
 
sliderNcider said:
Present an argument for EB over Embree.
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Zactamundo....everyone's sure fire reasons why EB is better than Ebree are simply pure speculation/opinions.....Fact of the matter is both guys have outstanding connections and recommendations from across the football community, both have a solid proven recruiting record, both are CU alumns and passionate about the University and its success, both played in the NFL, both have solid ties to California & Colorado, both have solid coaching experience (albeit Embo probably with a little bit more)

So where in all of this does EB just stand miles apart from Embo???
 
buffs04 said:
I don't see one. It was critical for Bohn to make the right hire. He didn't. Again. Anything but a big splash in this situation was totally unacceptable. Recruiting and talent are our number one concerns. The consensus about EB is that he is an absolutely dynamite recruiter and a future hot commodity in cfb. We took... the other guy? Because he interviews well? This isn't a PR job. It's a football job. Mike Bohn is a PR guy. That's his problem; he thinks that because his speciality is PR over substance, that hiring a guy who may be a little rough around the edges but the potential to be an absolutely outstanding hire for the program is unacceptable when faced with the alternative of a no-name who won't stir up any trouble.

Bohn is targetting mediocrity. CU is going to be the laughing stock of the P12. We can fight with WSU for 11th place. Way to go. The choice was clear here. We have a limited budget and can't bring in a Nick Saban, so we had to roll the dice on a guy with the potential to bring in a ton of talent and turn this thing around. The national perception of CU that no one seems to want to acknowledge is that right now we are a JOKE program. Not bringing in a top-flight coach only perpetuates that.

I can't fault the Hawkins hire because it looked great on the surface. This time, however, the mistake is crystal clear. EB is the perfect hire for this job. We chose someone else for reasons that are absolutely not apparent to me. Perhaps I am missing something, but I don't think so.
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Here's one - former players who actually know both guys have said that Embree is a great choice, and that while EB might be a better recruiter, Embree is a better coach.

I know guys who actually know the guys and played can't possibly know as much as you, but I'm willing to listen to what they have to say...
 
navybuff96 said:
Well, one positive - just heard Ringo say on Kreckman's show that McElwain lost a lot of points when at one point someone involved in the interview process said they had closed their eyes and McElwain sounded just like Hawk.
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Scary. I'm glad he was shown the door.

It's bad luck just hearing about a thing like that.

[video=youtube;lJ0Sazr9Yh4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJ0Sazr9Yh4[/video]
 
bombay said:
Without knowing either guy personally, I wonder if Bohn doesn't feel that Embree will handle the media/booster/public relations part of the job more smoothly.
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this is an opinion out there for sure.

Another one I've heard is he's far more organized than EB, a better coach then EB, he's smarter than EB, he's more level headed than EB.

Some sentiment seems to be smaller splash, better long term hire.
 
wsp4820 said:
Would you care to make an actual argument other than EB is the best "because he's a dynamite recruiter and future hot commodity." Seriously.

EDIT:

Some other facts that would be nice:

1. How would EB have been a "big splash" hire in the grand scheme of things?
2. How would EB have been a better "football" as opposed to "PR" hire?
3. What made EB the "perfect" hire?
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what is with all of the editing? why cant you **** ers be smart the FIRST time you post....
 
I think its pretty apparent from what I've read in the papers. Hiring a minority HC to coach the football program in Boulder is a big ****ing deal. Its an important step for CU. They can't get it wrong. CU-Boulder is lilly white. They needed a guy who could bridge that gap. They needed a guy who can communicate at every level. They needed a guy who can, one, recruit a star kid from Compton and, two, meet with and impress the big time white boosters. The more I think about it, the more of a no brainer it is. I think they also are hoping to bring in JE and EB as a team and their best chance was with JE as HC.
 
ThndringHerd said:
You're right. The Buffs will now now be competitive for the PAC championship in Arms Negotiations. Iran will be scared ****less. Jimmy Carter for WBB coach. Yay.
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there is a politics board for this ****....
 
Well buffs04, considering that your post does not contain anything approaching an "argument" but instead is a rant filled with unsupported personal attacks, I am not sure that any logical response is needed or would be welcomed. When you make this about your personal dislike of someone, why should anyone else waste their time responding?

That said, demeanor and personality matter and by all accounts Embree has a professional and calm demeanor coupled with coaching success and respect both with prior players and with the coaches he has worked with. Mike Shanahan said yesterday Embree would be a great choice. Now while that may not be the be all and end all, I am positive Shanny knows more about Embree and coaching than anyone ranting on this board. EB has some baggage from his personality that may be more suited for some seasoning before being head coach. His name calling of Marcus Houston for example indicates to me someone who could grow up a bit. I personally could not care less about the national "splash" you think is so vital nor do I think hiring EB makes that "splash". Too many people on here worry too much about what ESPN says. Embree knows Boulder, he knows football, he can recruit and he can coach.
 
buffsblg said:
well buffs04, considering that your post does not contain anything approaching an "argument" but instead is a rant filled with unsupported personal attacks, i am not sure that any logical response is needed or would be welcomed. When you make this about your personal dislike of someone, why should anyone else waste their time responding?

That said, demeanor and personality matter and by all accounts embree has a professional and calm demeanor coupled with coaching success and respect both with prior players and with the coaches he has worked with. Mike shanahan said yesterday embree would be a great choice. Now while that may not be the be all and end all, i am positive shanny knows more about embree and coaching than anyone ranting on this board. Eb has some baggage from his personality that may be more suited for some seasoning before being head coach. His name calling of marcus houston for example indicates to me someone who could grow up a bit. I personally could not care less about the national "splash" you think is so vital nor do i think hiring eb makes that "splash". Too many people on here worry too much about what espn says. Embree knows boulder, he knows football, he can recruit and he can coach.
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spot on!! Rep!
 
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