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AZ prep football has blown up

Amazing how much that state has changed and grown in the past 30 years. In the 80s people could still ride a horse into Scottsdale. Maricopa County still leads the nation in population growth. We'll probably see 7 million people in that Phoenix metro in 10 years or so.
 
Wouldn’t we play there every year? Or do we visit ASU and UA at the same time?

We do visit those schools in alternating years, so good point.

I just kinda lumped all the talent into the Phoenix area because it is outside of one school in Tucson.
 
Serious, just look at past years AZ classes. They do not stay in state and the talent goes a legit 30-40 deep every year. Last year ASU signed 3 of the top 25. Zona signed the 30th ranked guy. And that's it from the top 30.

Cal signed 6 of the top 30 last year. We gotta get in on that action
 
I was thinking that AZ puts out about 10-15 P5 players a year. There are about 40 +/- P5 players coming out of AZ in the class of 2020. I am glad to see CU taking AZ very seriously in recruiting.
that is more than I expected, but it isn't surprising that there is a lot of football talent there. A ton of CA transplants continue to move to AZ. Plus so many professional athletes from just about every sport retire there as well. Coach Bernardi was ahead of the curve - ha ha ha . . .
 
Yeah, love that Vegas pipeline. Soooo many great Buffs from Vegas.
Las Vegas now has about 2 million people all within 30 minutes of the airport. They have seen the same massive migration of people of Pacific Islanders and African American descent from the Los Angeles area as has Phoenix. This has been going on for sometime now, dating back to Rodney King riots, if not before.

Certainly, not in the same numbers, but still, in massive numbers. They have been putting out about the same number of P5 signees recently as the entire state of Colorado. All of which takes 1 day to recruit all the key high schools.

The fact that we've put in a bit of effort over perhaps one recruiting cycle in the last 15 years probably has everything to do with lack of success there.
The Vegas suburbs are exactly like the Phoenix suburbs. All the kids want to get out of the area, and either play at the Beach or the Mountains. Both are culturally hip and cool, compared to their disparaged living hells. Unlike AZ, there are no home-town P5 schools. But like Zonies, surfers and snowboarders are so much cooler than they are.

Of course, all of this has been pointed out several times to you, but you remain fixed on your initial position, much like you hold onto certain other opinions on another forum, despite all facts presented to the contrary. You keep being you!
 
I don’t get it. Some of the top programs in the country, that are much further away than CU, recruit LV. It’s a cheap flight that takes about an hour from Denver, is a 3 hour drive from LA and has one of the premier HS programs in the country. How is this even a discussion?
 
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I think a better question is why we can’t seem to recruit Vegas better. What’s keeping us from having better success there?

Questioning Vegas as a recruiting target locale doesn’t make much sense.
 
I think a better question is why we can’t seem to recruit Vegas better. What’s keeping us from having better success there?

Questioning Vegas as a recruiting target locale doesn’t make much sense.
Only a couple programs consistently produce legit P5 talent there, and those programs are recruited heavily from a national perspective. Far more competition for a smaller pool. Plus a lot of kids transfer to BG from Cali schools and have a national recruiting mindset (think Tate Martell), which doesn’t typically include CU
 
Las Vegas now has about 2 million people all within 30 minutes of the airport. They have seen the same massive migration of people of Pacific Islanders and African American descent from the Los Angeles area as has Phoenix. This has been going on for sometime now, dating back to Rodney King riots, if not before.

Certainly, not in the same numbers, but still, in massive numbers. They have been putting out about the same number of P5 signees recently as the entire state of Colorado. All of which takes 1 day to recruit all the key high schools.

The fact that we've put in a bit of effort over perhaps one recruiting cycle in the last 15 years probably has everything to do with lack of success there.
The Vegas suburbs are exactly like the Phoenix suburbs. All the kids want to get out of the area, and either play at the Beach or the Mountains. Both are culturally hip and cool, compared to their disparaged living hells. Unlike AZ, there are no home-town P5 schools. But like Zonies, surfers and snowboarders are so much cooler than they are.

Of course, all of this has been pointed out several times to you, but you remain fixed on your initial position, much like you hold onto certain other opinions on another forum, despite all facts presented to the contrary. You keep being you!
B. S.

We have put recruiting effort in, we have had multiple visitors. To say that we have put in "a bit of effort over perhaps one recruiting cycle" is patently false.

I am in no way saying that there is not talent there. I'd love some of it to come here. The fact is though that we have limited recruiting resources and the idea that we are going to go in and spend "one day to recruit all the schools" is a bunch of crap. Yes we can do fly by visits but for your information we have been doing that already with nothing to show for it.

Yes the Vegas kids want out but so far, and including the ones who have come here to visit, they have selected to go elsewhere. The national kids to the national schools (ND, tOSU, etc.) or to California, the next level goes to the coastal PAC schools.

I am still waiting for that list of Vegas kids who have contributed at CU. I can easily make a list of AZ kids, CA kids, TX kids, even kids from areas much further away.

If the coaches were to prove me wrong I'd be happy, I just want quality players but this fantasy that recruiting Vegas is an easy boost to CU football so far has been a big zero. Prove me wrong!!!
 
Only a couple programs consistently produce legit P5 talent there, and those programs are recruited heavily from a national perspective. Far more competition for a smaller pool. Plus a lot of kids transfer to BG from Cali schools and have a national recruiting mindset (think Tate Martell), which doesn’t typically include CU

Bingo, until we are winning something they have plenty of other options, which they take.
 
B. S.

We have put recruiting effort in, we have had multiple visitors. To say that we have put in "a bit of effort over perhaps one recruiting cycle" is patently false.

I am in no way saying that there is not talent there. I'd love some of it to come here. The fact is though that we have limited recruiting resources and the idea that we are going to go in and spend "one day to recruit all the schools" is a bunch of crap. Yes we can do fly by visits but for your information we have been doing that already with nothing to show for it.

Yes the Vegas kids want out but so far, and including the ones who have come here to visit, they have selected to go elsewhere. The national kids to the national schools (ND, tOSU, etc.) or to California, the next level goes to the coastal PAC schools.

I am still waiting for that list of Vegas kids who have contributed at CU. I can easily make a list of AZ kids, CA kids, TX kids, even kids from areas much further away.

If the coaches were to prove me wrong I'd be happy, I just want quality players but this fantasy that recruiting Vegas is an easy boost to CU football so far has been a big zero. Prove me wrong!!!
You’re making an argument that it’s a waste of resources going forward because there is little success in the past. Truth is, the last staff didn’t make LV a priority at all. Sure, they threw out a few offers and hosted a few guys, but that’s not recruiting the area. If they actually dedicated the resources there, you would see it paying off, you know, just like dedicating the resources to LA and GA are right now.
 
Bingo, until we are winning something they have plenty of other options, which they take.
Don’t confuse that post with me agreeing with you. I was simply providing a take about the reason we haven’t had success there, that is separate from the “effort” reasoning
 
B. S.

We have put recruiting effort in, we have had multiple visitors. To say that we have put in "a bit of effort over perhaps one recruiting cycle" is patently false.

Show me the facts that we tried.
Show me why a LV kid would pick Michigan State when he could go to Boulder.
 
You’re making an argument that it’s a waste of resources going forward because there is little success in the past. Truth is, the last staff didn’t make LV a priority at all. Sure, they threw out a few offers and hosted a few guys, but that’s not recruiting the area. If they actually dedicated the resources there, you would see it paying off, you know, just like dedicating the resources to LA and GA are right now.

Question is how many resources for what level of return. As you state the competition there from other schools is strong. We are dedicating resources to LA and GA because we are getting a return on that investment just like we are getting a return on resources in TX.

If resources were unlimited then by all means go for the Vegas players but they aren't. I'd rather we spend extra time in AZ or SoCal were we have proven results.
 
Show me the facts that we tried.
Show me why a LV kid would pick Michigan State when he could go to Boulder.

Might have something to do with 10 wins a year and a New Years bowl game every year.

Why would a kid choose to spend 4-5 years in Ann Arbor or Columbus or South Bend.

When we are seen as a place a kid can go and win then our recruiting will change,

Enough of this discussion. What is it, is Vegas a place were we can get players with minimum resources invested or is it a place were we haven't gotten players because we have invested minimum resources? We have had multiple Vegas kids visit so we have invested resources there. Show me some results. You can't because the kids go elsewhere.
 
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