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All Starting College QBs Ranked - Montez Comes In At #41

Fair enough on the Liufou comp. I discount a bit the idea that it’s not on Montez but rather on his OL for Montez performance the past two seasons. Even the S&C coach said that Montez needs to become a leader and earn a Captain designation/role for the first time this season.
 
TSchekler said:
Sefo was willing to take on contact as a runner, though, which was a massive part of the short yardage and goal line offense that season. Montez has shown the exact opposite as a runner, which isn't going to cut it in 2019. Sefo was also a very humble individual and natural leader. Montez.... not so much.

Montez is a more talented passer and runner than Sefo, there is no doubt about it. Unfortunately talent alone doesn't mean much at the QB position if the mental side isn't there as well. I'm hopeful that stuff clicks with Montez this year, but he hasn't shown much of it to this point.
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Couple things: First, If you're going to call QB power, your QB is going to have to take on contact as a runner. Not many teams run those plays, for good reason. Second, Steven is not a more talented runner than Sefo. Faster, sure, but he has limited awareness when he's running with the ball. Also, he sometimes seems like he's going to fall for no reason.
 
BuffsNYC said:
Couple things: First, If you're going to call QB power, your QB is going to have to take on contact as a runner. Not many teams run those plays, for good reason. Second, Steven is not a more talented runner than Sefo. Faster, sure, but he has limited awareness when he's running with the ball. Also, he sometimes seems like he's going to fall for no reason.
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More talented when describing the running was probably inaccurate. I meant that he is quicker, and faster than Sefo. They tried calling QB Power with Montez when he had to fill in for Sefo in 2016 and when he became the full time starter in 2017, and he was terrible at it. Then, insert Roper/Chev in 2018 and he actively avoided contact, even if it meant not getting the first down when it was third down. It was a self-preservation mentality that doesn't really fly as a college QB, unless you are a Heisman caliber passer, who is also a statue, which Montez is neither.
 
BuffsNYC said:
Couple things: First, If you're going to call QB power, your QB is going to have to take on contact as a runner. Not many teams run those plays, for good reason. Second, Steven is not a more talented runner than Sefo. Faster, sure, but he has limited awareness when he's running with the ball. Also, he sometimes seems like he's going to fall for no reason.
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Steven is a vastly superior runner to Sefo.
 
BuffsNYC said:
Couple things: First, If you're going to call QB power, your QB is going to have to take on contact as a runner. Not many teams run those plays, for good reason. Second, Steven is not a more talented runner than Sefo. Faster, sure, but he has limited awareness when he's running with the ball. Also, he sometimes seems like he's going to fall for no reason.
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I'd call Montez a more talented runner than Sefo, he is much more of a threat to break off a big run. Sefo had a lot more want to though. He was so hard nosed that he often resembled a classic fullback looking for somebody to run into and push.

The ability to keep the pressure off Montez will be the most important factor. Montez is a more gifted QB than Sefo was but Sefo was much less prone to getting rattled by taking hits in fact it seemed sometimes like Sefo needed to take a few hits to get focused. Montez tends to come out stronger but as he takes contact and feels pressure he stops reading and starts playing like he is anticipating getting hit.
 
BuffsNYC said:
Give Steven some space and he'll get more yards than Sefo would, because he's faster. Put them both in a situation where you need a certain number of yards for a first down and I'll choose Sefo every time.
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Bingo.
 
Well, if he does run some, maybe he'll know where the damn first down marker is this year, instead of sliding a yard short of it.
 
In reference to my earlier post, I'm not trying to say it's all on the o-line for Montez' performance the last two seasons. I think most of it lands on Montez' shoulders, I'm just curious what he can accomplish if he actually has time in the pocket which I hope we get to see this coming fall. I just don't think 100% of the blame can be on Montez when he's never had adequate time in the pocket since he's been a starter.
 
BuffsNYC said:
Give Steven some space and he'll get more yards than Sefo would, because he's faster. Put them either in a situation where you need a certain number of yards for a first down and I'll choose Sefo every time.
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How many times did Sefo get hurt during his career because of the way he ran the ball? I'd rather have a healthy QB than get one extra yard.
 
Medford M. said:
How many times did Sefo get hurt during his career because of the way he ran the ball? I'd rather have a healthy QB than get one extra yard.
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I like Montez and I'm happy he's our QB. I expect him to have his best season this year. But Sefo being Sefo and the toughest guy on the field made him the leader that gave us the only good season in recent memory. We could use some of that this season.
 
Duff Man said:
I like winning over fawning about some 5th year senior's "vast" potential.
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True, and we need that 5th year senior to reach his "vast" potential to have a winning season. I'm hoping he does just that, after all he's the QB of the Buffs
 
I expect SM to have a pedestrian season in 2019. It would seem this will be a run first, pass second offense by design and the OL may be better at run blocking than pass protection given its reconstruction. The passing game, while potent, may not get all the chances it had under previous regimes to stretch its legs as much.

I could be completely wrong, but I have this feeling we’re going to be a bit shocked at how different the offensive attack is.
 
Bliff Cranch said:
I expect SM to have a pedestrian season in 2019. It would seem this will be a run first, pass second offense by design and the OL may be better at run blocking than pass protection given its reconstruction. The passing game, while potent, may not get all the chances it had under previous regimes to stretch its legs as much.

I could be completely wrong, but I have this feeling we’re going to be a bit shocked at how different the offensive attack is.
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If that’s the case, I’ll take the complete opposite bet and say his season will be the best he’s ever had. More runs should create far more play action, far more ypc for him, and a far higher ypa.

He may not have as large of a throwing volume but he’s going to be far more efficient(hopefully).
 
Bliff Cranch said:
I expect SM to have a pedestrian season in 2019. It would seem this will be a run first, pass second offense by design and the OL may be better at run blocking than pass protection given its reconstruction. The passing game, while potent, may not get all the chances it had under previous regimes to stretch its legs as much.

I could be completely wrong, but I have this feeling we’re going to be a bit shocked at how different the offensive attack is.
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Run first, pass second?

The WR position is solid and RB is a question mark.

I’m going with more RPO.
 
Master Blaster said:
Really curious to see how Montez looks but I'm don't have particularly high hopes. Moving to a more traditional style offense means he will need to read the field more, and I'm not convinced he can do that
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We won't know until we see it, but my assumption has been that the new offense will help since it's more about running to set up the pass.
 
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Bliff Cranch said:
I expect SM to have a pedestrian season in 2019. It would seem this will be a run first, pass second offense by design and the OL may be better at run blocking than pass protection given its reconstruction. The passing game, while potent, may not get all the chances it had under previous regimes to stretch its legs as much.

I could be completely wrong, but I have this feeling we’re going to be a bit shocked at how different the offensive attack is.
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I sure hope so.
 
Clean Undies said:
Run first, pass second?

The WR position is solid and RB is a question mark.

I’m going with more RPO.
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I'd be shocked if this isn't an offense with 60-70% of the plays called being RPO base. It's just the way the game is now, it's the hot thing because it works and you'd be foolish to not take advantage of it until someone figures out how to really shut it down.
 
BuffsNYC said:
Couple things: First, If you're going to call QB power, your QB is going to have to take on contact as a runner. Not many teams run those plays, for good reason. Second, Steven is not a more talented runner than Sefo. Faster, sure, but he has limited awareness when he's running with the ball. Also, he sometimes seems like he's going to fall for no reason.
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FWIW, Mitch Leidner (who played QB under Johnson at Minnesota in '16) had 111 rushes that year, while Steven ran it 132 times under Lindgren in 2017 and only 94 last year with Chev as the play caller. Even with Johnson working with Jim Chaney and James Coley the last two years, I think QB designed runs are still going to be a thing in this offense, and its going to be on Steven to learn how to be a more aware runner.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/steven-montez-1.html
https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/mitch-leidner-1.html
 
ahoelsken said:
FWIW, Mitch Leidner (who played QB under Johnson at Minnesota in '16) had 111 rushes that year, while Steven ran it 132 times under Lindgren in 2017 and only 94 last year with Chev as the play caller. Even with Johnson working with Jim Chaney and James Coley the last two years, I think QB designed runs are still going to be a thing in this offense, and its going to be on Steven to learn how to be a more aware runner.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/steven-montez-1.html
https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/mitch-leidner-1.html
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Don't get me wrong, it's not that I think Steven shouldn't run the ball. He absolutely should and has proven to be relatively effective at it. Just not as good as Sefo.
 
BuffsNYC said:
Don't get me wrong, it's not that I think Steven shouldn't run the ball. He absolutely should and has proven to be relatively effective at it. Just not as good as Sefo.
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Completely agree with you-Sefo was one of the best running QBs I can remember here.
 
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