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Ark HS coach doesn't believe in punting, punt returns and onside kicks all the time

Discussion in 'Colorado Football Message Board' started by JimmyBuff, Sep 15, 2011.

  1. JimmyBuff

    JimmyBuff Well-Known Member

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    Kind of an interesting article from SI

     
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    sackman Club Member Club Member

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    You can get away with that stuff in High School. He'd be crushed at the college level.
     
  3. tante

    tante Club Member Club Member

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    I think every year someone brings this up.
     
  4. RK

    RK UBL Club Member

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    No punting!? WHATTT!?
     
  5. sackman

    sackman Club Member Club Member

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    Seriously, this is the kind of sh*t that Hawk used to say. "Well, you know that teams that go for it on 4th down from their own 40 yard line have a 54% chance of winning the game. Most people don't know that, but I do." It's that kind of dumbass crap that gets coaches fired. Like I said, this dude can get away with it in high school. I wouldn't want him anywhere near my college football team.
     
  6. Daaah

    Daaah Club Member Club Member

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    you should also ALWAYS go for two.
     
  7. tante

    tante Club Member Club Member

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    when you post something like this you need to use the cliniced tags or an acceptable alternate is starting with riddle me this....
     
  8. Sexton Hardcastle

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    Sounds like the next hire up in Ft Fun!
     
  9. JimmyBuff

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    Maybe. But it should would be fun to watch it.
     
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    absinthe Ambitious but rubbish. Club Member Junta Member

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    Hawk didn't believe in taking a knee, just sayin'
     
  12. Shldr2Shldr

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    fify
     
  13. TDbuff

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    Same coach has a new idea he wants to try out this fall: more laterals.

    I could see this idea getting more mainstream traction than the never punt, always onside strategy. Fans won't really get upset about the possibility of more trick plays, unless they just never work.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...ach-who-never-punts-has-another-radical-idea/
     
  14. Gary Indiana

    Gary Indiana Club Member Club Member

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    Has this coach heard of rugby? Something tells me he would love it.
     
  15. dply

    dply Doble hoja Club Member

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    Probably:

     
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    Do you think I actually take the time to read articles before forming opinions on the content and offering unsolicited commentary??? Get real!
     
  17. dply

    dply Doble hoja Club Member

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    :lol:
     
  18. TSchekler

    TSchekler Hey Peter man, check out channel 9! Club Member

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    Using stats and percentages to determine whether to regularly bypass punting, onside kick every time, and use more open field laterals is typically a strategy used by teams that have to gain a competitive edge in order to compete with the more talented teams. Even if it all works out in their favor at season's end, those teams typically still end up losing to the more talented teams.

    The team I coach for falls under this category in some respects. We field a good, competitive playoff team, every single year and some years we even make deep runs in the playoffs, and we do this with maybe one Division 1 caliber player every 2-3 years. One thing we do to gain a little bit of an edge is go for 2 just about every time. The idea being that high school kickers are simply not automatic at PATs (we've never had one go even 90% on the season), therefore, all we need to be is 50% from 2 pt conversion (which typically, we're close to 66-70%) throughout a game to match or be better than kicking a PAT every time.

    When looking at this approach from a 10,000 ft season long level, it does prove to work in our advantage from a straight statistical standpoint. However, this approach doesn't take into consideration game situations in which it just doesn't make sense to go for two. Either way, it's interesting to hear different approaches used by high school coaches around the country.
     
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