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Do you really think long time posters here are fair weather fans?
We didn't give up on the program. We organized a grass roots campaign to change it.
You need to separate Hawk from Embree. The administration chose to keep Hawk due to financial considerations that no longer hamstring the A.D. Bohn tried to fire Hawk after the 4th season and was told no. Wins and losses is a huge factor in deciding the fate of a coach. If the wins aren't there then there needs to be visible improvement on the field to justify keeping the coach. CU showed no improvement and actually regressed over the year. The team was clueless. Embree's choices of EB & Brown in the first place show that he was over his head. BCS football is no place for on the job training; where Bohn deserves extreme criticism is for hiring an unqualified coach.
You got it wrong. We are members of a CU forum for a decade because we are CU football fans. Cu football fans, as a group, are CU football. Allbuffs is a collection of die hard CU fans.
What depth are you looking for?
Nearly all I hear from Mac and Camp Embree is that contracts should be honored for their duration or administrators lack integrity, there were things improving with the program that don't show up on the scoreboard (team GPA, team discipline, etc. - Hawkinsesque), he believes that Embree has what it takes, and that it was racist to fire Jon Embree. Then sprinkle in some stuff about not getting the support in the furniture and food & beverage services areas.
None of that has any depth. That's an assault on anyone who doesn't have the blind faith that Mac does and doesn't live in the real world of contracts where people leave for other jobs and people get fired for underperforming.
You won't find blind faith in Mike Bohn or the CU administration here. This site has been critical of both. We're trying to base opinions on the facts available to us. We're also calling out statements by Mac and Camp Embree that have been incorrect, illogical and/or come across as a smear campaign.
A reasonable case could be made for Embree to get a 3rd year. 2 years is an incredibly short time when it wasn't a program that was ready to win when he took over. And while Embree could have done some things to get a few more early wins by fitting the systems to existing players and giving more playing time to veterans who would not have made as many learning-curve mistakes, that would not have been the way to build for the future. The 2012 recruiting class seems strong and there are a few 2011 guys who like like they'll be good players here. Some of that 2012 recruiting class gray shirted, so they'll bump up the 2013 class and along with the return of a playmaker like Paul Richardson the 2013 season has a lot of potential for improvement - Embree should be given the chance to show what he can do with that. And, finally, there are none of the issues with scandal or academic failings that would usually have to be present to justify pulling the plug so quickly on a coach. (Camp Embree members should thank me for typing that up for them. :wink2
I think that the 3rd year case could have been made in a much better way. The way it was presented, the message ended up being: "If you don't support a 3rd year then you are a fair weather fan, lack integrity, have an over-inflated opinion of yourself for daring to disagree with Coach Mac, and you're probably a racist." When those types of emotionally-charged accusations are thrown at people, it's not going to win anyone to the other side. In fact, it reinforces the opinion that the faster CU could make a break from this crowd the better off it would be.
what you believe as to staff changes is not necessarily backed up by what we know re: EB. and who would he have gotten to replace them? Nobody wanted to work for a lame duck coach.
