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Lotta sunshine pumping and kool-aid drinking going on after CU blew a big lead in the first half again and lost again to team that CSU could likely beat. I see a team that doesn't know how to finish. More flash, same results. Hope you are all right and Colorado will turn the corner soon. The only proof acceptable to me will be wins.
Im not happy about losing, but we also didn't get blown out on the road. Frankly we should have won, but I'll chalk that up to maturity and linebackers that need to get their head in the game.
We may or may not have turned a corner, but we don't look inept. That's improvement in my book. Baby steps.
PS There are plenty of things I don't like about this team (namely a pathetic running game), but I'm also pleasantly surprised by the CBs and the passing game.
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We may or may not have turned a corner, but we don't look inept. That's improvement in my book. Baby steps.
PS There are plenty of things I don't like about this team (namely a pathetic running game), but I'm also pleasantly surprised by the CBs and the passing game.
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HuskerHater
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If we lost every game the rest of the season like that I will probably end up in a looney bin.
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Thanks for the perspective, I don't know if our situation is quite as rosy as you paint it but you make some good points.
Interested to find out your perspective on your program. My opinion from the outside is that Dykes has severely under performed the level of talent you guys have. Last year it looked like he flat out lost the team. This year you guys are 3-1 but were one play away from losing at home to us after blowing a huge lead in the fourth quarter the week before.
Do you think that Dykes will last in Berkeley. I see you guys with a roster that with a better coach could do some damage in the conference.
Sebastabear
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You'd find as many opinions on the Dykes question as there are holistic healing centers in Berkeley. Candidly the perspective of the fan base seems to wildly shift depending on what happened in the prior week's game (with the negabears or the sunshine pumpers gaining temporary ascendence with each win or loss). Bottom line is its hard to imagine from the outside what a profound mess he's had to clean up and I think people are willing to give him this year and next to see what he can do. Personally I'm pulling for him. His games certainly aren't dull.
For what it's worth, I really do think your CBs are legit. I've seen some good secondaries play against our receivers and your CBs did one of the best (if not the best) jobs I've seen. Stanford et al last year shut them down by smothering Goff before he even had a chance to think about making a throw, but in our game the ball was right there for them to make a play and the CBs broke up the pass. Must have been a dozen of those (or at least it seemed that way to those of us on the sideline). Good luck the rest of the way Buffs. Future is brighter IMHO.
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I always wondered what it was that Bill Marolt saw in the 1984 1-10 season that led to his keeping the 3rd year coach around. I'm both afraid and excited that I'm going find out this year.
Afraid because we may not win another game. Excited that I might finally understand what Marolt saw 30 years ago because I'm seeing it for myself...
Afraid because we may not win another game. Excited that I might finally understand what Marolt saw 30 years ago because I'm seeing it for myself...
I knew this season would likely be frustrating for that very reason. The vision, the ability, the progress, may in fact all be there, however it may not manifest itself in wins this year.
badbone63
Active Member
I think with the talent we have we could win some of these games even some of the big ones but not with some of the coaches they we have at this time. Too many odd calls. Not enough adjustments and wrong personnel. I think HCMM was handed a very wounded team, he did well last season to attempt to gel what was left of the team. He hired many of his friends from SJSU Although I completely understand the comfort of knowing the staff , It was not the best talent.
As I posted in another thread During my conversation with a player and his father after the Hawaii game (we both were sitting in the bar area of a local restaurant waiting for a table) it was an eye opener to the inside of the program from a player and parent perspective. They had many nice things to say but several things had them frustrated. The player doesn't think that all the talent is being utilized correctly, his words were "obvious favoritism" especially on OL and LB. I have heard this from another source close to the program. I am sure some of those feeling are on every team but this athlete is playing so it isn't sour grapes. The dad mentioned that the recruiting rep Adam was irritating, cocky and didn't return calls, that is a large concern. We need to be able to recruit at the highest possible level. We don't want to be pissing off the parents.
He said his son is enjoying college life in Boulder and gave the school an A+ Overall.
My hope is that AD RG and HCMM keep this program moving in the right direction and at a fast pace. I hope some staff evaluations happen and that HCMM demands high performance out of his staff. We can not operate at the SJSU level we need to compete like a P5 school.
As I posted in another thread During my conversation with a player and his father after the Hawaii game (we both were sitting in the bar area of a local restaurant waiting for a table) it was an eye opener to the inside of the program from a player and parent perspective. They had many nice things to say but several things had them frustrated. The player doesn't think that all the talent is being utilized correctly, his words were "obvious favoritism" especially on OL and LB. I have heard this from another source close to the program. I am sure some of those feeling are on every team but this athlete is playing so it isn't sour grapes. The dad mentioned that the recruiting rep Adam was irritating, cocky and didn't return calls, that is a large concern. We need to be able to recruit at the highest possible level. We don't want to be pissing off the parents.
He said his son is enjoying college life in Boulder and gave the school an A+ Overall.
My hope is that AD RG and HCMM keep this program moving in the right direction and at a fast pace. I hope some staff evaluations happen and that HCMM demands high performance out of his staff. We can not operate at the SJSU level we need to compete like a P5 school.
FlatironsBuff
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FIFY. You're welcome.
First I've heard negative things said about Adam Toyama (Director of Recruiting). I'm not an insider, though, so tifwiw. Might very well be true and I have little reason to doubt that this was the experience that player & his parents had with him. Troubling.
Buffenuf
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Buh-bye, Bandwagon Jumper!
Beat your fandom by 20+ years and watched Drake whup us twice, watched OU hang 82 on us, watched the Fuskers get a break on a last second FG call in Folsom, watched an Okruch "D" give up two 4th and 25+ plays to UWisc; watched that undefeated '88 team get jobbed by the zebras vs. ND, watched Uzelac take the ball out of Slash's hands and the hands of the best receiving corp ever assembled in Boulder and piss away a MNC to kNU, watched Fresno steal a shot at a MNC, watched GB's 100-3 debacle......
Yet, I'm still here fifty years later, exhorting the Buffs to win Saturday and will continue to be here to goad you JCL whippersnappers!
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Buffenuf
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Obviously, his friends weren't playing. Common comment from any team member/parent and the kind that usually stops when you graduate HS. At college level coaches can't usually afford "favorites" (Hawk and WB excepted), and especially on two units which are struggling or lacking in numbers; really doesn't even make sense, except as a whiney gripe.
Adam has always been a great rep. What bone is saying may be true, but parents aren't exactly the best informed or unbiased.
badbone63
Active Member
Parents are who Adam needs to communicate with.
badbone63
Active Member
That wasn't the impression I got. The way he told me was as if it was common knowledge among the players. I didn't pry for more information. Hate to be that dude that won't shut up.
and Please don't try to convince me that college coaches don't play their favorite player, they do and so do many business people. It isn't a bad practice until you become blind to the results. My company CEO played "favorites" (a relative) and almost ran our company to the ground 2 yrs ago.
This is just one family's opinion, but is the second time I've heard about favoritism on the OL (unless it's the same source from 2 different people). The team seems to be coming together, this family gave us an A+, so I don't think any of this is a big enough deal to affect the team. But, if true, these are the smaller type things that turn into big problems down the road if not addressed directly.
CVBuff
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For what it's worth, we have always been contacted by either Adam, another staff member, or even Coach Mac personally on occasion, when a question arises.
Yea superfan. You get the internet gold star today, well done. Btw, the undefeated team was '89, I was at the O-Bowl for that one too...
badbone63
Active Member
That's good to know, It would be interesting to hear from more player parents. Especially the parents of players that had high level interest at P5 schools. It is very important that we have a great recruiting staff that can speak to parents as well as the athlete. The high level athletes we want are being bombarded by other schools and we must compete at that level or we will never get the high level 4* talent needed. BTW The dad I talked to had great things to say about HCMM. Our AD RG should sit down with parents and athletes to get the feedback. I can assume that would be valuable information.
I think Liver was around then and spoke this. I think there are a few others that remember the Upchuck years.
I'm sorry...but I can't take anyone seriously who says they don't see a lot of improvement. My goodness...was that Fresno State debacle that long ago? Look at the yardage stats for crying out loud...look at the fact we aren't laughingstocks after games. What short memories some people have. We were a SUN BELT team two years ago. We had teams taking their foot off the gas because beating us by 75 points would make THEM look like poor sports. Wow. Pity those saying they see no real improvement didn't save a few of those games from two years ago for comparison purposes.
Go look at the game scores. Go look at the stats.
Better question: What do you think happens if today's Buffs play the team that beat WSU at the last minute for our "big" win over a Pac-12 opponent a couple of years back? WE CRUSH THAT TEAM. That's called improvement.
Pity that's not our opponent every week of course...but wins will come. Regardless...the improvement is major. I can't understand those who claim to not see it because they insist the only way to see improvement is by wins. If so, we could have just played an easier Kansas State-like schedule and magically "improved".
Go look at the game scores. Go look at the stats.
Better question: What do you think happens if today's Buffs play the team that beat WSU at the last minute for our "big" win over a Pac-12 opponent a couple of years back? WE CRUSH THAT TEAM. That's called improvement.
Pity that's not our opponent every week of course...but wins will come. Regardless...the improvement is major. I can't understand those who claim to not see it because they insist the only way to see improvement is by wins. If so, we could have just played an easier Kansas State-like schedule and magically "improved".
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Uh ok? How'd you get that from my post?
Just to add to my earlier post...looked at some some DVR highlights recently...does anyone remember that teams were pulling their starters out against us at halftime sometimes two years ago? That's not happening now either. Again, to me, that looks like improvement.
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So then explain my FACTS. Colorado has lost to the only FBS teams that they beat last year. Colorado had to have a furious rally to beat UMass who is arguably the worst team in FBS. Colorado limped through a win against UH who couldn't beat a high school team on the road. How is that progress? You think CU isn't playing a KSU like non-con schedule? We played CSU, UMASS, and UH. UH and UMASS were both 1 win teams last year, and CSU is...CSU. Colorado played a Charmin soft schedule this year.
At the end of the day, only wins count. Please give me more than "they kinda seem like they are better, but I can't really prove it, because they haven't won any meaningful games."
Buffenuf
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And you get the WBF Award, with Oak Clusters.
For years, I've watched guys like you at Folsom, berating Eddie or Mac after every play that didn't go for at least a 1st down, if not a TD.
They considered their mere presence at a game and their accompanying commentary, a "gift" to CU football and other fans, jes' like you.
Buffedup - the big picture always counts (wins). However, when you were as bad as we were, you can have wild improvement without tallying more W's. In this case, do not let the forest distract you from the trees.
I think my original intended point has strayed a bit during the discussion. My ultimate point is that Colorado MUST start winning these games. MM has a limited window where the players, staff, school, fans are engaged and moving forward with progress. Colorado can only go so far with progress being measured on "being competitive". A breaking point is coming where wins have to start being the result of this progress. Colorado has royally screwed up by losing two of the most winnable games on the schedule. Both losses felt like a complete kick in the nuts, because Colorado was in complete control in those games and collapsed. We don't know if MM will be able to teach these kids to win until it actually happens. Until that occurs, there really isn't any true progress to stand on.
I think a lot of the progress we see so far may be a bit of fools gold based on the competition level. The schedule now gets nasty, and the reality of where this program still is, is about to set in. Hope I'm wrong, but I have a feeling that people come to earth this weekend when a very well coached OSU team, smarting off of a lackluster performance against USC, comes to town.