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CU In-State Recruiting 2020

HawaiiBUFF

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2020 is shaping up to be one of the biggest recruiting classes in Colorado history. I think we need to nail down a few of these recruits sooner than later. I would also love to see our lines dominated by CO kids for years to come. A few prospects we need to lock down are:

1) OT Reece Attebery (4 Star)
2) OT Andrew Gentry (4 Star)
3) QB Aidan Atkinson (High 3 Star)
4) DT Aidan Keanaaina (High 3 Star)
5) RB David Moore (4 Star)
6) OG Carson Lee (High 3 Star)

I know we probably won't get all 6, but I do hope we can get at least 5/6. All 6 would be insane!
 
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Buffnik

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Sorry, didn't mean to make this a thread. Just wanted to add it to 2020 discussion.
No worries. I was glad you started it. When I saw your thread I realized I'd forgotten to do a 2020 in-state thread when I migrated 2019 to the main recruiting forum. So I re-titled yours and stickied it.

Thank you.
 

TSchekler

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I wonder if we are starting to see the affects of the population boom in Denver on athletic talent in the state? Will the 2019 and 2020 classes start to become the norm for our state? If so, should mean great things for CU going forward.
 

Uncle Luko

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I wonder if we are starting to see the affects of the population boom in Denver on athletic talent in the state? Will the 2019 and 2020 classes start to become the norm for our state? If so, should mean great things for CU going forward.
It sure as hell couldn't hurt.
 

Buffnik

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I wonder if we are starting to see the affects of the population boom in Denver on athletic talent in the state? Will the 2019 and 2020 classes start to become the norm for our state? If so, should mean great things for CU going forward.
I think the biggest impact we're seeing first is with the 2*/ 3* D1 talent. Larger, well-funded schools in big suburban areas leads to having a lot more guys who are college sized. The days of a 5A or even 4A level where we see teams starting OLs who weigh around 200 lbs are ending. We'll see some guys in the 220-230 range, but not so much on guys who wouldn't even wrestle as heavyweights starting as 5A offensive linemen. That is a major upgrade to the competition level and quality of football seen.
 

FM-Buff

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A really good friend of mine is a current 3A coach and his dad was a 4A coach for over 30 years. They both say that 3A is now on the level of what 4A used to be in terms of talent and coaching. 4A is now on the level that 5A is and 5A is on a whole new level. The level of football is getting better in Colorado.
 

MtnBuff

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A really good friend of mine is a current 3A coach and his dad was a 4A coach for over 30 years. They both say that 3A is now on the level of what 4A used to be in terms of talent and coaching. 4A is now on the level that 5A is and 5A is on a whole new level. The level of football is getting better in Colorado.
There is a lot of talk about how participation numbers are down due to CTE. I honestly think that a bigger factor is the concentrations of talent at the bigger schools.

We have fewer small high schools and more larger high schools. 20 or 30 years ago most of the offensive linemen, even at the bigger schools were around or below 200lbs. Most teams had a couple of 140-150lb kids playing something other than WR or CB. Now the kid who is a good athlete but a little undersized isn't going to see the field at a lot of the bigger schools.
 

BuffinCali

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I think the biggest impact we're seeing first is with the 2*/ 3* D1 talent. Larger, well-funded schools in big suburban areas leads to having a lot more guys who are college sized. The days of a 5A or even 4A level where we see teams starting OLs who weigh around 200 lbs are ending. We'll see some guys in the 220-230 range, but not so much on guys who wouldn't even wrestle as heavyweights starting as 5A offensive linemen. That is a major upgrade to the competition level and quality of football seen.
What about the presence of football academies, particularly for OL run by a former Buff. It seems these kids are getting schooled in a way they previously only got once they got onto a college campus?
 

Buffnik

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What about the presence of football academies, particularly for OL run by a former Buff. It seems these kids are getting schooled in a way they previously only got once they got onto a college campus?
I see a big impact. Guys getting scholarships due to being trained. McC said that he believed there was a lot of talent in the state that just needed this. He was right. He’s taking 220 lb OLs and turning them into 260 lbs of good weight in a year or so. Also other positions. Was a major need in this state and it will grow, along with him starting to have competition.
 

DrunkRalphie

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I see a big impact. Guys getting scholarships due to being trained. McC said that he believed there was a lot of talent in the state that just needed this. He was right. He’s taking 220 lb OLs and turning them into 260 lbs of good weight in a year or so. Also other positions. Was a major need in this state and it will grow, along with him starting to have competition.
Smart, entrepreneurial Buffs helping the local football scene and creating local jobs. This is why you support the flagship university and don't bother with the rest.
 

MtnBuff

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I see a big impact. Guys getting scholarships due to being trained. McC said that he believed there was a lot of talent in the state that just needed this. He was right. He’s taking 220 lb OLs and turning them into 260 lbs of good weight in a year or so. Also other positions. Was a major need in this state and it will grow, along with him starting to have competition.
The size issue with guys coming out of six-zero is important. McChesney is taking guys who in the past would have been D2 players and putting them into P5 programs.

Another part of what he is doing deals with technique. Guys in his program are also getting work on the balance and footwork, hand and body position, leverage and quickness that they weren't before.

It used to be that a big kid from a state like Colorado would just go out and lay on smaller kids in HS. When he got to college it took them a year or more just to turn him into a football player. Now these kids are coming in ready to learn a system, ready to compete in practice from day one.

They are not just physically but also technique wise at least a year or two ahead of where they were before. This is why the big kids from Texas and Florida and California were always ahead.
 

TSchekler

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The size issue with guys coming out of six-zero is important. McChesney is taking guys who in the past would have been D2 players and putting them into P5 programs.
I get your point, but you are exaggerating quite a bit here. McChesney does a great job with these kids, but his program is not the difference between being a D2 player and being a P5 player.
 

MtnBuff

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I get your point, but you are exaggerating quite a bit here. McChesney does a great job with these kids, but his program is not the difference between being a D2 player and being a P5 player.
In some cases it can be. Take a kid who would be graduating HS at 220 lbs and has marginal footwork and turn him into a guy who is a solid 270 lbs with good footwork and you get a P5 scholly.

At the start of his jr. year Frank Umu's best offer was UNC (FCS) and some RMAC schools (D2.) He ended up getting signed to CU (P5.)
 

Buffnik

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I get your point, but you are exaggerating quite a bit here. McChesney does a great job with these kids, but his program is not the difference between being a D2 player and being a P5 player.
I agree. More like the difference between D2 or FCS, FCS or FBS, G5 of P5 for these guys. In other words, a level. Every now and then it will be multiple levels or a guy who wouldn't have gotten any exposure or offers landing at an FBS program. Seems to be worth the money for the parents who invest in sending their kid to Six Zero as long as he's got athletic ability and work ethic.
 

MtnBuff

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I agree. More like the difference between D2 or FCS, FCS or FBS, G5 of P5 for these guys. In other words, a level. Every now and then it will be multiple levels or a guy who wouldn't have gotten any exposure or offers landing at an FBS program. Seems to be worth the money for the parents who invest in sending their kid to Six Zero as long as he's got athletic ability and work ethic.
You make a good point.

All the coaching and work in the world are not going to make a kid something he isn't. All the lifting in the world isn't going to make a 5'10" guy into a 6'4" guy. If a guy is slow training can make him quicker but it still won't make him quick.

I mentioned Umu as being that big a jump but he is the exception to the rule. For most guys jumping one level up is important. We have seen a number of guys from six-zero go to CU but those guys would have likely ended up with at least CSU or FCS without it.

The real value is probably in those kids we don't hear about who go from no offers to at least a D2 or FCS meaning they can use football to pay for school.
 

TSchekler

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You make a good point.

All the coaching and work in the world are not going to make a kid something he isn't. All the lifting in the world isn't going to make a 5'10" guy into a 6'4" guy. If a guy is slow training can make him quicker but it still won't make him quick.

I mentioned Umu as being that big a jump but he is the exception to the rule. For most guys jumping one level up is important. We have seen a number of guys from six-zero go to CU but those guys would have likely ended up with at least CSU or FCS without it.

The real value is probably in those kids we don't hear about who go from no offers to at least a D2 or FCS meaning they can use football to pay for school.
Umu was also a very marginal P5 player anyways. Was recruited here at a very low point in CU football history and not a big contributor during his time here anyways. Should have probably been a G5 player, at best. Regardless, as nik said, the difference his program makes is possibly one level.
 

MtnBuff

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Umu was also a very marginal P5 player anyways. Was recruited here at a very low point in CU football history and not a big contributor during his time here anyways. Should have probably been a G5 player, at best. Regardless, as nik said, the difference his program makes is possibly one level.
Point is though that McChesney moved him up two levels, exception to the rule but he made that jump.

It is significant though to see a number of these kids who would be mid-level MWC kids (CSU, Wyo) who end up with P5 offers, we also see D2/FCS kids ending up in the MWC.

We are seeing many more Colorado kids going D1 than in the past and it isn't just because of increased population.
 

Burrito Palazzo

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A really good friend of mine is a current 3A coach and his dad was a 4A coach for over 30 years. They both say that 3A is now on the level of what 4A used to be in terms of talent and coaching. 4A is now on the level that 5A is and 5A is on a whole new level. The level of football is getting better in Colorado.
It goes to eleven.
 

jaidinger

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CU has pulled Adam Karas scholarship offer.
To bad, WSU has offered. Another Pomona player may be heading to Pullman
 
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