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CU's Rightful Place in College Football

Duff Man said:
The last sentence of your post SUPPORTS Oregon over CU.
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Comparing something that happened >70 years ago vs. >20 years ago? I'm not pretending that the landscape hasn't changed, but CU has shown that they can be at the top of the national football world in the not too distant past (and so has UW), which is why I feel that we should not be relegated automatically behind Oregon. Originally I was just pointing out that using Minnesota was a bad example.
 
Buffnik said:
Yes.

I'm not going into a single game expecting the worst.

Last year, we beat who we were supposed to. That bar gets raised in 2014.

And we should certainly NEVER expect to lose a home game.

I'm also sick of making excuses when CU loses a recruiting battle over a priority prospect. That cannot happen here.

It's past time to stop acting like victims and losers.
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It is time to raise our expectations and goals. The reason we fans back our team is because we refuse to give in regardless of result. I loves me some Kool Aid, but it is time to shed the "victimology" and anticipation of defeat. No it will not guarantee a win as a result, it guarantees there is the will to win regardless of what any opponent brings to the field on Saturday.

The ultimate goal is not only to be defiant, but also be successful. We (everyone associated with this program) will arrive faster by raising the bar on our expectations and attitude sooner rather than later!
 
Eggon said:
It is time to raise our expectations and goals. The reason we fans back our team is because we refuse to give in regardless of result. I loves me some Kool Aid, but it is time to shed the "victimology" and anticipation of defeat. No it will not guarantee a win as a result, it guarantees there is the will to win regardless of what any opponent brings to the field on Saturday.

The ultimate goal is not only to be defiant, but also be successful. We (everyone associated with this program) will arrive faster by raising the bar on our expectations and attitude sooner rather than later!
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Not sure how the expectations of FANS can make a big difference. Certainly the expectations of coaches and players are paramount, but I don't know how me sitting here thinking we will get 3-5 wins will have any effect on the outcome of the season.
 
BuffClass90 said:
Not sure how the expectations of FANS can make a big difference. Certainly the expectations of coaches and players are paramount, but I don't know how me sitting here thinking we will get 3-5 wins will have any effect on the outcome of the season.
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:bang:
 
I think this was Embrees recruiting pitch.:lol:
However, at the same time I feel like that's what is making it hard for Mac2 to recruit. He's seems candid about this being a rebuilding process whereas both Embree and the Hawk were pitching out words like National championships, Big 12 champs, etc.
 
I want what Nik is sniffing, but I haven't found it yet.

5 wins and only one or two blowouts would be a glorious outcome compared to the recent past.
 
'Tini said:
Why is our place in the PAC 12 below Oregon? Our height is still better than their run, albeit there's has been a longer run.
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Because until they put the asshats in charge similar to what CU had they'll be the nouveau rich. I doubt they would kill their program like our admin did. When you are on top you have enough inertia to stay there unless things change drastically. If knight stops contributing in mass quantities or T. Boone at OSU schools with insane amounts of cash ( previously unseen in college football) won't falter as much as they did. Then you have the NCAA not treating schools fairly and it's near impossible for non elite football schools to become such.

Even if Oregon gets hit with sanctions unless it's a penn state or USC type sanctions their admin has shown its willing to look the other way. Heifrich may not be the coach that Kelly was and he may be their Neuheishal, but I doubt he leaves to another program like Neuheishal did. They can him before that happens.

Oregon still doesn't have all of the advantages as a place like USC, but there's only so many spots at the top.
 
'Tini said:
Why is our place in the PAC 12 below Oregon? Our height is still better than their run, albeit there's has been a longer run.
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Agree. CU is 8-10 vs Oregon, with our three games in the PAC-12 as loses (ergo, 8-7 prior). Oregon just got good. They drive me nuts.

So yeah, I'm in the trash-talk band wagon. I have a reason why CU is better (for one reason or another) than any team in the county.


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Buffnik said:
It's been one hell of a difficult decade for Buffs. Starting with a "scandal" that CU mismanaged into an excoriation in the media despite being based on unsupported allegations without factual findings in support... and driven by an administration that wasn't focused on athletic success, a successful head coach handcuffed with self-imposed draconian recruiting restrictions, then 2 consecutive bad coaching hires.

But as bad as it has been... as pissed off and frustrated that we fans are... and as hard as it is to believe after all this:

IT IS TIME FOR CU FANS TO START ACTING LIKE CU FANS AGAIN

We need to get our swagger back.

We need to re-ignite that special brand of Buff arrogance that makes us unique.

Instead of turning it on each other and our own program, we need to direct our snark and belittling toward other programs.

As it should be.

Let's remember:

National Championship
Heisman Trophy Winner
9 other national player awards (Thorpe (2), Mackey, Butkus (2), Walker, Draddy, Guy, Camp)
1 Bear Bryant Coach of the Year Award
30 Consensus All-Americans (among all-time NCAA leaders)
26 Conference Titles
6 Members of College Football Hall of Fame
Only program to beat Oklahoma, Texas and Nebraska in same season (and done it multiple times)

Even after this dark decade, CU still ranks:

#24 All-Time in Wins
#29 All-Time in Win %
#21 All-Time in NFL Draft Picks

For game day atmosphere, CU has:

Ralphie - the best live mascot in all of sports
Chip - a multiple national champion mascot
Folsom Field - the most beautiful setting in the nation for college football
Boulder - the nation's #1 town (pick your measure, it probably has ranked #1 in it)

And where are we now as we look into the future?

Head Coach Mike MacIntyre - who, in 3 years, just took San Jose State from probation & being so bad they were wondering whether to discontinue football... to a Top 25 season. Now entering Year 2 at CU.

Facilities - Opening for the 2015 season, CU is investing in an unprecedented facilities improvement that will bring CU into the upper echelon of facilities in all of college football

Young talent at key positions - highlighted by sophomore QB Sefo Liufau and sophomore LB Addison Gillam, who are both receiving national attention as breakout stars

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Cliff's Note Version:

CU Football is the entire package of what makes college football great... among the best on any measure... and setting the table for a return to elite results.

If you're a fan of another program - any program: you suck, we will make fun of you, and we can back it up because no program comes close to matching CU football on all of the criteria that matter. Also, before you try to run any smack at us, keep in mind that we've been drinking more heavily than usual for the past decade and have been able to stockpile a lot of piss balloons.

:gobuffs:

**** everyone else.
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Ribble rabble.

Snort.
 
Conference Championships by School
School
ChampionshipsLast Championship
Southern California36†2008
UCLA171998
Washington152000
California142006
Stanford142013
Oregon112011
Oregon State52000
Washington State42002
Arizona State32007
Arizona11993
Colorado0–
Utah0
–

†USC's 2004 and 2005 Pacific-10 Conference titles were vacated due to cheating


Pacific Coast Conference
Year & SchoolConference StatsRanking
YearChampionsRecordPtsOppRecordAP RankCoaches'
Rank		Bowl ResultHead Coach
1916Washington3–0–162106–0–1Started in 1934Started in 1950–Gil Dobie
1917Washington State3–04636–0Started in 1934Started in 1950–William Henry Dietz
1918California2–07207–2Started in 1934Started in 1950–Andy Smith
1919Oregon2–133205–1–3Started in 1934Started in 1950L Rose Bowl 6–7 vs. HarvardShy Huntington
1919Washington2–133315–1Started in 1934Started in 1950–Claude J. Hunt
1920*California3–010479–0Started in 1934Started in 1950W Rose Bowl 28–0 vs Ohio StateAndy Smith
1921*California4–0167109–0–1Started in 1934Started in 1950T Rose Bowl 0–0 vs. Washington & JeffersonAndy Smith
1922*California4–014679–0Started in 1934Started in 1950–Andy Smith
1923*California5–06679–0–1Started in 1934Started in 1950–Andy Smith
1924Stanford3–0–192367–1–1Started in 1934Started in 1950L Rose Bowl 10–27 to Notre DameGlenn "Pop" Warner
1925Washington5–0882410–1–1Started in 1934Started in 1950L Rose Bowl 19–20 to AlabamaEnoch Bagshaw
1926*Stanford4–01124010–0–1Started in 1934Started in 1950T Rose Bowl 7–7 vs. AlabamaGlenn "Pop" Warner
1927Stanford4–0–178328–2–1Started in 1934Started in 1950W Rose Bowl vs. PittsburghGlenn "Pop" Warner
1927USC4–0–199388–1–1Started in 1934Started in 1950–Howard Jones
1928*USC4–0–184209–0–1Started in 1934Started in 1950–Howard Jones
1929USC6–12582910–2Started in 1934Started in 1950W Rose Bowl 47–14 vs. PittsburghHoward Jones
1930Washington State6–0134209–1Started in 1934Started in 1950L Rose Bowl 0–24 vs. AlabamaBabe Hollingbery
1931*USC7–02591310–1Started in 1934Started in 1950W Rose Bowl 21–12 vs. TulaneHoward Jones
1932*USC6–01121310–0Started in 1934Started in 1950W Rose Bowl 35–0 vs. PittsburghHoward Jones
1933Stanford4–156238–2–1Started in 1934Started in 1950L Rose Bowl 0–7 vs. ColumbiaClaude E. Thornhill
1933Oregon4–145299–1Started in 1934Started in 1950–Prink Callison
1934Stanford5–09379–1–1#4Started in 1950L Rose Bowl 13–29 vs. AlabamaClaude E. Thornhill
1935Stanford4–16078–1N/AStarted in 1950W Rose Bowl 7–0 vs. Southern MethodistClaude E. Thornhill
1935California4–155229–1N/AStarted in 1950–Stub Allison
1935UCLA4–175398–2N/AStarted in 1950–William H. Spaulding
1936Washington7–0–1141217–2–1#5Started in 1950L Rose Bowl 0–21 vs. PittsburghJames Phelan
1937*California6–0–11372610–0–1#2Started in 1950W Rose Bowl 13–0 vs. AlabamaStub Allison
1938USC6–1131369–2#7Started in 1950W Rose Bowl 7–3 vs. DukeHoward Jones
1938California6–11073710–1#14Started in 1950–Stub Allison
1939*USC5–0–2121218–0–2#3Started in 1950W Rose Bowl 14–0 vs. TennesseeHoward Jones
1940Stanford7–01416610–0#2Started in 1950W Rose Bowl 21–13 vs. NebraskaClark Shaughnessy
1941Oregon State7–2123338–2#12Started in 1950W Rose Bowl 20–16 vs. DukeLon Stiner
1942UCLA6–1146587–4#13Started in 1950L Rose Bowl 0–9 vs. GeorgiaEdwin C. Horrell
1943USC5–095138–2–Started in 1950W Rose Bowl 29–0 vs. WashingtonJeff Cravath
1944USC3–0–2129398–0–2#7Started in 1950W Rose Bowl 25–0 vs. TennesseeJeff Cravath
1945USC5–1107437–4#11Started in 1950L Rose Bowl 14–34 vs. AlabamaJeff Cravath
1946UCLA7–02164510–1#4Started in 1950L Rose Bowl 14–45 vs. IllinoisBert LaBrucherie
1947USC6–0147207–2–1#8Started in 1950L Rose Bowl 0–49 vs. MichiganJeff Cravath
1948California6–01554010–1#4Started in 1950L Rose Bowl 14–20 vs. NorthwesternPappy Waldorf
1948Oregon7–0125489–2#9Started in 1950L Cotton Bowl Classic 13–21 vs. Southern MethodistJim Aiken
1949California7–02208010–1#3Started in 1950L Rose Bowl 14–17 vs. Ohio StatePappy Waldorf
1950California5–0–1124289–1–1#5#4L Rose Bowl 6–14 vs. MichiganPappy Waldorf
1951Stanford6–11521019–2#7#7L Rose Bowl 7–40 vs. IllinoisChuck Taylor
1952USC6–01743210–1#5#4W Rose Bowl vs. WisconsinJess Hill
1953UCLA6–1172418–2#5#4L Rose Bowl 20–28 vs. Michigan StateRed Sanders
1954*UCLA6–0256269–0#2#1–Red Sanders
1955UCLA6–0197379–2#4#4L Rose Bowl 14–17 vs. Michigan StateRed Sanders
1956Oregon State6–1–11521047–3–1#10#13L Rose Bowl 19–35 vs. IowaTommy Prothro
1957Oregon6–2124817–4–#17L Rose Bowl 7–10 vs. Ohio StateLen Casanova
1957Oregon State6–21471108–2–––Tommy Prothro
1958California6–1127857–4#16#16L Rose Bowl 12–38 vs. IowaPete Elliott
 
Athletic Association of Western Universities
Year & SchoolConference StatsRanking
YearChampionsRecordPtsOppRecordAPCoaches'Bowl ResultHead Coach
1959
Washington3–1682910–1#8#7W Rose Bowl 44–8 vs. WisconsinJim Owens
1959UCLA3–191515–4–1–––William F. Barnes
1959USC3–169608–2#14#13–Don Clark
1960Washington4–01002510–1#6–W Rose Bowl 17–7 vs. MinnesotaJim Owens
1961UCLA3–178397–4#16–L Rose Bowl 3–21 vs. MinnesotaWilliam F. Barnes
1962*USC4–0992311–0#1#1W Rose Bowl 42–37 vs. WisconsinJohn McKay
1963Washington4–196586–5–#15L Rose Bowl 7–17 vs. IllinoisJim Owens
1964Oregon State3–174368–3#8#8L Rose Bowl 7–34 vs. MichiganTommy Prothro
1964USC3–188587–3#10#10–John McKay
1965UCLA4–0134568–2–1#4#5W Rose Bowl 14–12 vs. Michigan StateTommy Prothro
1966USC4–1101447–4–#18L Rose Bowl 13–14 vs. PurdueJohn McKay
1967*USC6–11824710–1#1#1W Rose Bowl 14–3 vs. IndianaJohn McKay
 
Pacific-8 Conference
Year & SchoolConference StatsRanking

YearChampionsRecordPtsOppRecord
APCoaches'Bowl ResultHead Coach
1968USC6–0114909–1–1#4#2L Rose Bowl 16–27 vs. Ohio StateJohn McKay
1969USC6–01296610–0–1#3#4W Rose Bowl 10–3 vs. MichiganJohn McKay
1970Stanford6–12201019–3#8#10W Rose Bowl 27–17 vs. Ohio StateJohn Ralston
1971Stanford6–1162989–3#10#16W Rose Bowl 13–12 vs. MichiganJohn Ralston
1972*USC7–02435912–0#1#1W Rose Bowl 42–17 vs. Ohio StateJohn McKay
1973USC7–02401249–2–1#8#7L Rose Bowl 21–42 vs. Ohio StateJohn McKay
1974*USC6–0–1226690–0#2#1W Rose Bowl 18–17 vs. Ohio StateJohn McKay
1975UCLA6–12151239–2–1#5#5W Rose Bowl 23–10 vs. Ohio StateDick Vermeil
1975California6–12351328–3#14#15–Mike White
1976USC7–02348111–1#2#2W Rose Bowl 14–6 vs. MichiganJohn Robinson
1977Washington6–12381038–4#10#9W Rose Bowl 27–20 vs. MichiganDon James
 
Pacific-10 Conference
Year & SchoolConference StatsRanking

YearChampionsRecordPtsOppRecord
AP RankCoaches'
Rank		Bowl ResultHead Coach
1978*USC6–11828112–1#2#1W Rose Bowl 17–10 vs. MichiganJohn Robinson
1979USC6–02449911–0–1#2#2W Rose Bowl 17–16 vs. Ohio StateJohn Robinson
1980Washington6–11981199–3#16#17L Rose Bowl 6–23 vs. MichiganDon James
1981Washington6–218514710–2#10#7W Rose Bowl 28–0 vs. IowaDon James
1982UCLA5–1–121814810–1–1#5#5W Rose Bowl 24–14 vs. MichiganTerry Donahue
1983UCLA6–1–12111587–4–1#17#13W Rose Bowl 45–9 vs. IllinoisTerry Donahue
1984USC7–11481079–3#10#9W Rose Bowl 20–17 vs. Ohio StateTed Tollner
1985UCLA6–22311209–2–1#7#6W Rose Bowl 45–28 vs. IowaTerry Donahue
1986Arizona State5–1–120312210–1–1#4#5W Rose Bowl vs. MichiganJohn Cooper
1987USC7–12531398–4#18#17L Rose Bowl 20–17 vs. Michigan StateLarry Smith
1987UCLA7–130913910–2#9#11W Aloha Bowl 20–16 vs. FloridaTerry Donahue
1988USC8–028912110–2#7#9L Rose Bowl 14–22 vs. MichiganLarry Smith
1989USC6–0–1174679–2–1#8#9W Rose Bowl 17–10 vs. MichiganLarry Smith
1990Washington7–13409910–2#5#5W Rose Bowl 46–34 vs. IowaDon James
1991*Washington8–03217712–0#2#1W Rose Bowl 34–14 vs. MichiganDon James
1992Washington6–22191179–3#11#10L Rose Bowl 31–38 vs. MichiganDon James
1992Stanford6–218413010–3#9#9W Blockbuster Bowl 24–3 vs. Penn StateBill Walsh
1993UCLA6–22171688–4#18#17L Rose Bowl 16–21 vs. WisconsinTerry Donahue
1993Arizona6–220912810–2#10#9W Fiesta Bowl 29–0 vs. MiamiDick Tomey
1993USC6–22291418–5–#25W Freedom Bowl 28–21 vs. UtahJohn Robinson
1994Oregon7–11991089–4#11#11L Rose Bowl 20–38 vs. Penn StateRich Brooks
1995USC6–1–12141309–2–1#12#11W Rose Bowl 41–32 vs. NorthwesternJohn Robinson
1995Washington6–1–12321707–4–1––L Sun Bowl 18–38 vs. IowaJim Lambright
1996Arizona State8–034618211–1#4#4L Rose Bowl 17–20 vs. Ohio StateBruce Snyder
1997Washington State7–129724610–2#9#9L Rose Bowl 16–21 vs. MichiganMike Price
1997UCLA7–129218110–2#5#5W Cotton Bowl Classic 29–23 vs. Texas A&MBob Toledo
1998UCLA8–030919810–2#8#8L Rose Bowl 31–38 vs. WisconsinBob Toledo
1999Stanford7–13131978–4–#24L Rose Bowl 9–17 vs. WisconsinTyrone Willingham
2000Washington7–125818311–1#3#3W Rose Bowl 34–24 vs. PurdueRick Neuheisel
2000Oregon7–121517210–2#7#9W Holiday Bowl 35–30 vs. TexasMike Bellotti
2000Oregon State7–127516111–1#4#5W Fiesta Bowl 41–9 vs. Notre DameDennis Erickson
2001Oregon7–128118111–1#2#2W Fiesta Bowl 38–16 vs. ColoradoMike Bellotti
2002Washington State7–128518810–3#10#10L Rose Bowl 14–34 vs. OklahomaMike Price
2002USC7–129916311–2#4#4W Orange Bowl 38–17 vs. IowaPete Carroll
2003*USC7–134216112–1#1#2W Rose Bowl 28–14 vs. MichiganPete Carroll
2004*USC7†–028511711†–0#1#1W Orange Bowl 55–19 vs. OklahomaPete Carroll
2005USC0†–03831490†–1#2#2L Rose Bowl 38–41 vs. TexasPete Carroll
2006USC7–224213111–2#4#4W Rose Bowl 32–18 vs. MichiganPete Carroll
2006California7–228017310–3#14#14W Holiday Bowl 45–10 vs. Texas A&MJeff Tedford
2007USC7–225015011–2#3#2W Rose Bowl 49–17 vs. IllinoisPete Carroll
2007Arizona State7–227421110–3#16#13L Holiday Bowl 34–52 vs. TexasDennis Erickson
2008USC8–13258012–1#3#2W Rose Bowl 38–24 vs. Penn StatePete Carroll
2009Oregon8–137520410–3#11#11L Rose Bowl 17–26 vs. Ohio StateChip Kelly
2010Oregon9–059222112–1#3#3L BCS National Championship 19–22 vs. AuburnChip Kelly
 
And now we are here:

Pacific-12 Conference
Year & SchoolConference StatsRanking

YearChampionsRecordPtsOppRecordAP RankCoaches'
Rank		Bowl ResultHead Coach
2011Oregon9–160030712–2#4#4W Rose Bowl 45–38 vs. WisconsinChip Kelly
2012Stanford9–130719112–2#7#6W Rose Bowl 20–14 vs. WisconsinDavid Shaw
2013Stanford8–233718911–3#11#10L Rose Bowl 20–24 vs. Michigan StateDavid Shaw

:lol:

Note: * means national something or other. Crosses mean cheaters.
 
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I agree with Buffnik but my first thought was this old youtube video. And I vote our motto becomes "we're not Zona!"

[video=youtube;o2S3iHIk1NE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2S3iHIk1NE[/video]
 
Burrito Palazzo said:
Are you statisfied?

Semper Gumby
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No. Some of those excel tables did not convert to my liking.

In all seriousness, I would like to see historical tables showing where CU placed in your old conference. All kidding aside, I liked Nik's post. You guys need to be more positive and look to the future. Not in a Tini way mind you, but just have a more positive outlook. My lesser goal was to give you all a target for your fury. Nobody else from other PAC schools posts here so hate away.
 
liverflukes said:
No. Some of those excel tables did not convert to my liking.

In all seriousness, I would like to see historical tables showing where CU placed in your old conference. All kidding aside, I liked Nik's post. You guys need to be more positive and look to the future. Not in a Tini way mind you, but just have a more positive outlook. My lesser goal was to give you all a target for your fury. Nobody else from other PAC schools posts here so hate away.
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you post a bunch of historical stuff that shows CU hasn't won much in the handful of years it has been in the p12. this time period also coincides to our historical low. oh, and some other schools won a lot more before CU was in the conference or predecessor conference.

so, the point?

as to the OP--- fine. I'd be much happier being pissed off that we are anything worse than 9+ wins and a major bowl game than being resigned to being the worst ****ing team in the conference. transport me back through time.

:lol:
 
FChairbanks said:
Nice post Nik, you forgot to mention our move to the conference of champions too!
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Just reading this thread and maybe someone says it later but I also think getting Rick George as our AD also shows we could be back to the elite not just in FB and BB but other sports too. We got a winner at AD who is good at fundraising and growing successful sports teams.
 
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