Discussion in 'Colorado Football Message Board' started by btbuff, Apr 7, 2011.
Pretty intense. Interesting to see what comes out I'm gonna bet people aren't going to be happy.
Gonna take a wait and see approach on this one.
Except the kids that remain.
Good long-term for the program not to mess around with kids that aren't committed, hope they can re-dedicate themselves at a new school.
Is he going to kick players off scholarship? Not only is that a horrible thing to do, won't it mess with the graduation rate.
I don't have a problem with this in principle. In practice, a lot can go wrong. Really depends on what the criteria is for cutting people.
Arent we gonna need all of the warm bodies we have with a 13 game no bye week schedule? And can you cut scholarship players? I guess so but it seems wierd.
Hmm. Is this a motivational tool or a true threat? I would think this could have ncaa repercussions. I mean, they are perfectly OK with Saban running kids, but they may not be so understanding with a rogue program like CU. :huh:
Hey, Jon, this isn't the nfl.
But being on scholarship is definitely a priveledge and I don't believe that kids on scholly are "entitled." But JE needs to tread lightly. I'm sure he knows this. As does Mike Bohn.
I have to admit, I had very mixed feelings when Bzdelic ran kids.
I bet this is more threat than anything... I don't expect many, if any, cuts.
Scholarships are 1-year contracts. He can decide that he won't renew some people at the end of the semester. It's pretty common at other programs for guys who aren't cutting it.
should be interesting. I put the over/under at 4
Yeah, but the ncaa holds schools accountable for those one year contracts. A school cannot just get rid of kids, willy nilly, if they don't like them without paying a price. Thats why, if he cuts any kids, there will be few. And I don't necessarily buy into sacrificing a couple of kids just to make a point.
A, JE has made it clear to the players that scholarships are year to year, buy in and do your job, nothing is guaranteed.
B, as JE said in his post practice comments, they guys getting cut aren't going to be surprised, they're getting cut because they've been warned multiple times and aren't doing what he expects.
These aren't guys that are getting cut because they are low on the totem pole or the staff can find better talent, they're getting cut because they aren't buying into the program. There's a big difference between cutting someone on talent and cutting someone because they aren't doing their job.
Earn your scholarship, repay the faith the school has in you by giving you a scholarship, or expect to get a boot in the ass.
I can see a cut or two just to make waves and establish authority. Hell, didn't he already cut a couple of players? Celestine and someone else?
Several walk ons, too.
I can think of at least one guy that could probably get some 8< action: Bryce Givens.
where is this damn article? LINK?
Does Embree have the authority to cut Trey Eckloff?
I'm not sure that this is newsworthy at many other college football programs. I like the decision myself.
It was on Twitter. I am sure Ringo is writing up an article; although, there is so little information right now might not be worth it.
I just listened to the comments in the Embree post-practice interview on Rivals.
- players have had since Dec 7th to show they want to be here
- guys have been told the expectations
- those not meeting expectations have been warned
- it's all about effort, showing up on time, fulfilling responsibilities, and acting like you want to be there
- players who are in jeopardy have been repeatedly warned and had what's expected explained to them
- no one who gets cut will be surprised
I expect a lot of attrition over the next couple of years. It's not necessarily a bad thing.
Precisely. I got the sense that the guys who would be leaving are guys who have shown that they do not want to be here and are not responding to the new staff. Not a situation like some of these schools who oversign and then cut the least talented kids.
Terrific, terrific stuff. Jon is doing everything right.
Agreed. Now I just hope he wins.
OK, since he puts it that way........ J/K. I can buy into that. I think it is tougher and tougher, in this day and age, for coaches/educators to get their values across to 18 to 22 year old kids.
Think the key distinction is it's not really a "cut" based on talent levels....but everything else he's laid the standards for (work ethic, showing up on time and prepared, getting it done in the classroom, being a good teammate, no off field buffoonery).....so "cut" may be a bad word, more of "you're fired" for not doing your job/what you're on scholarship for
So how does this affect our graduation and academic situations? Does this help with grades (rpi? I know thats not right) because we cut slackers off of the roles? Do their grades still count?
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