Discussion in 'Colorado Football Message Board' started by DBT, Nov 30, 2012.
Anything from the White Coach's Association?
Discussing Embree. "Black men do not get second chances." The first thing is to get the first job. On rehires, we have to figure that out. I don't have stats. There is an issue. He is not accusatory at all. There are systemic problems with universities. He did not get into Embree's accusation. IMO, Jon got that from Mac.
They issued a statement after the Embree firing:
"too bad we got all the ****ing jobs, suckas!!"
I found it offensive, to be honest.
according to the guy, we have to build relationships. Talking about Sumlin. He was an up and comer. Programs exposed him to AD's. That is getting better. Success breeds success. Several Super Bowls winners have been coached by men of color. So, his deal is that success breads success. As success happens, it will get better.
I'll wait for the White Congressional Caucus to chime in.
I heard that, Orr. At their annual convention, I won't say where, I heard white sheet sales sky rocketed.
here he goes. He's building his case to accuse CU. Had to turn it off
102.3 has jumped the shark on this race card stuff. Mac is on in a few minutes. It's getting ridiculous.
Krackman asking him about the Embree thing. "Why is it that so many are so quick to dismiss." (Leading question, IMO.) Floyd, "People do not want to face the facts. You have a CU alum who got his dream job. Takes over a bad program. He was committed. Signed 5 year deal and told he'd have time. Told to clean up school's image. He did all that. But he lost badly. Sac St. hurt. Season was the worst in history. Magnifies the problem. But Hawkins was renewed but, granted, he went to a bowl. You gave Hawkins a chance but not a CU alum? He only had 1 1/2 recruiting classes. He was stuck with a young class. No leadership. 15th interview. I've talked to a number of people. Majority is that he should have had more time. He was an alum. Patience should have been a virtue. If JE had been here 5 and Hawkins took over, I believe Hawk would have gotten more time."
Will we ever get over this "racial" thing? Geez.
At least he leaves by calling Ralphie the best mascot in the country.
Mac is a couple fries short of a happy meal.
I heard the "Asian League of Coaches who can do Calculus too" is organizing a silent protest this weekend :lol:
How bout the Islamist D-Line coach's association? I hear they claim their coach's can blow up the O-Line of any college team.
Do you really want answers?
Okay, here we go.
1. We are so quick to dismiss this, because the broader discussion of black coaches and a lack of opportunity are unrelated to our current situation. We dismiss it, because it's a dangerous topic to indulge, because people will start believing it's relevant to Embree. It's safer not to touch it.
2. The bigger picture dialogue might be a worthy one to hold.
3. If we didn't want a black coach to succeed, why did we hire one? Especially an underqualified black coach. Most minority complaints come when an overqualified candidate is ignored, or the equally qualified draw always goes to the white guy. But our case is an unusual one.
4. Hawkins and Embree are completely different situations. Honest to God, apples and oranges for a variety of reasons.
a. Hawkins showed enormous promise in his second year. He beat a top five team and went to the wire with Alabama in a bowl game. He brought in a top 20 recruiting class. Things were looking up. In contrast, Embree coached the worst team in the nation, and the worst team in CU's history. His meager recruiting class is unraveling. things are looking down.
b. We were resource constrained in the case of Hawkins. We couldn't afford to buy him out (also his buy out was much higher). We have more money now, and could afford to buy out Embree (whose buy out was much lower, by the way).
c. We held on to Hawkins for too long and we learned from our mistake. This comparison is so silly for so many reasons, but the one that drives me the most nuts is that we're apparently not permitted to learn from our mistakes in the past. We held on to Hawkins too long and didn't want to repeat that. If we learn from our mistakes we're somehow racist, as an organization?
5. We didn't give Embree enough time to turn this around, but we gave him sufficient time to determine that he wasn't the man to turn it around. Our team was gawdawful laughably bad, in a way that can't be described.
6. We were at a point where our credibility, as an institution which promotes excellent, was in question if we returned the worst coach in the nation. Hawkins wasn't there until the end of year 4.
7. We lost 2.5 million in ticket sales revenue this year, with an avalanche of threats of non-renewal. When that happened for Hawkins he was let go.
Floyd is barking up the wrong tree in this case, and it's bugging the **** out of me.
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Orr, that is dead on accurate....not one point that is wrong in anything you said
If JE had been here 5, Hawkins wouldn't have touched this program with a ten foot pole.
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I believe it is "Big Floyd".
:yeahthat: Spot on!
We don't really appreciate well- reasoned posts here.
Please make some **** up next time.
get off my case so i can get off your sister.
Now I know you live in NoCal..... That joke has been recycled by you many times.....
Im confused. You know he lives in NorCal because they recycle a lot? Or because your sister lives in NorCal and he brings up pumping her so much that he must live close by?
I know Liver moved to NoCal to be closer to her..... But my sister refuses to be with anyone on Viagra.
fify She does worry about the viagra being around though because she confuses it with the anit-biotics she is using to treat the curable strains she picked up
Annnnddddddd......Allbuffs is back! Creatini feels left out though.
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He can join in if he wants to. $15 and he is in, and I'm not talking about an allbuffs membership although his travel cost will be significantly more than that, as will be the treatment after.
This is the real answer. Had Embree been hired when Barnett was fired, he would've been given more than 2 years, and probably the 5 Hawkins got. The difference is that CU had suffered through 5 losing seasons by the time Embree was hired and simply couldn't wait any longer for a turnaround. Sadly, by turnaround, I mean 5 or 6 wins.
When he is 35, he can be in on the jokes....
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