You're right, it doesn't explicitly say that. Given what it does say about about Sefo and turning the ball over, I'm not sure that you could do anything but start Gehrke. What is the alternative? Leave Sefo in until the first turnover?
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Gehrke getting shot to win QB job
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You're right, it doesn't explicitly say that. Given what it does say about about Sefo and turning the ball over, I'm not sure that you could do anything but start Gehrke. What is the alternative? Leave Sefo in until the first turnover?
badbone63
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So far the offensive coaches don't seem to like any change and because of that many of the starters feel entitled to their positions. I was excited to hear Lindgren make a comment about the Sefo issues. I hate the happy spin that HCMM puts on when speaking about a player. I don't expect HCMM to beat the player down but at least put some fire on his butt to get the job down. These guys are all adults and we don't need to treat them like children.
I look forward to seeing what Gehrke can do with some good practice reps and more coach time. I would love to see the younger OL guys sub in at this point. It will only help at this point and sadly it may even improve play.
I look forward to seeing what Gehrke can do with some good practice reps and more coach time. I would love to see the younger OL guys sub in at this point. It will only help at this point and sadly it may even improve play.
CTF is right in this issue.
It isn't as if Sefo is dogging it. This isn't a lack of effort issue.
It may more be an issue where Sefo needs to dial it back a little bit and stop pressing so hard. His mistakes are errors of effort not lack of effort. It may help him to relax a little and play with less self-imposed pressure.
This is the same staff that was patient with Connor Wood last year and then pulled him when it was clear that he simply wasn't effective. I don't think it's a case of a coaching staff that refuses to make changes because of seniority.
Dude....
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I see the opposite. The Buffs are underdogs in both remaining games. The signal that is being sent impacts QBs on the roster and QB prospects. It says that Sefo is not a lock at QB for the next two years. The Colorado standard at QB is Sefo's production MINUS Sefo's turnovers.
Thus far, Liufau is good, but he is no David Fales. HCMM needs an NFL prospect QB of Fales caliber to replicate the SJSU turnaround in Boulder.
I can see it as a smart football move. Like was mentioned earlier, Sefo was hardly a threat to run the ball. Teams didn't have to scheme or prepare for it. If Gehrke can come in for certain situations or a handful of drives and add some gashers, it changes everything in terms of how teams prepare for the Buffs. Big "if" though. We have heard he is a better runner, but we haven't seen it yet in live action.
FrankRizzo
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Jon Embree would close practices this week, change the entire offense after the first drive, lose 70-3, then blame college ADs for discrimination against race.
We are making progress, go Buffs!
We are making progress, go Buffs!
badbone63
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Brah.............
Seems a little desperate to me. Haven't said much since Cal, because I wrote this season off after they screwed the pooch there. I think the staff, with one notable exception, has really done a remarkable job given the lack of players. It may sound harsh, but most of the starters really aren't P5 material, and it is a minor miracle the staff is getting as much out of them as they do. We often wondered where the Buffs would be with good coaching. Now we know, probably 2-10. You are what your record says you are. CU is really only able to go toe to toe with the bottom feeders of the P12 (cal, sorry flukes, OSU and WSU), and they still come up short more often than not.
The other eight teams are MILES ahead in talent. Even a poorly coached, undisciplined UCLA team rolls into Boulder gives back roughly a fourth of it's offensive production in penalties and still wins. Why? Because they have playmakers. CU's OL couldn't get a push at an Indian casino Blackjack table when it counted. CU throws the ball like Texas Tech (including a gazillion bubble screens) because Sefo can't be protected for more than 3 seconds. He still gets the crap knocked out of him every third play even with plays designed to get rid of the ball pronto. I admire that kid. He is tough and has guts. The D's struggles are like an epic poem.
I suppose I could hang around and argue with 'tini and FLounder, who apparently are getting daily kool-aid enemas, or I could just move on and realize there are other things in life.
What CU needs is a massive infusion of quality and quantity on the roster. It isn't happening. That isn't to say the program cannot be rebuilt, it can, and I believe it is, but any noticeable difference in the W-L record is still 2-3 years away at best, while MikMac's guys are brought in and aged. There are no Su'a Cravens, Budda Bakers, Royce Freemans, Anu Solomons or Nick Wilsons coming on board to make immediate impacts.
72. That is the final thought I'll leave you jokers with. That is the number of losses CU has had since GB was fired in 2005, up to and including the Cal game. Roughly 8 losses per season for the last 9 years. Kansas State before Bill Snyder futility. That was my breaking point where I just simply stopped caring that much. How many wins before I care again? Couldn't tell you, it is likely somewhere between 2-20. Cheers.
The other eight teams are MILES ahead in talent. Even a poorly coached, undisciplined UCLA team rolls into Boulder gives back roughly a fourth of it's offensive production in penalties and still wins. Why? Because they have playmakers. CU's OL couldn't get a push at an Indian casino Blackjack table when it counted. CU throws the ball like Texas Tech (including a gazillion bubble screens) because Sefo can't be protected for more than 3 seconds. He still gets the crap knocked out of him every third play even with plays designed to get rid of the ball pronto. I admire that kid. He is tough and has guts. The D's struggles are like an epic poem.
I suppose I could hang around and argue with 'tini and FLounder, who apparently are getting daily kool-aid enemas, or I could just move on and realize there are other things in life.
What CU needs is a massive infusion of quality and quantity on the roster. It isn't happening. That isn't to say the program cannot be rebuilt, it can, and I believe it is, but any noticeable difference in the W-L record is still 2-3 years away at best, while MikMac's guys are brought in and aged. There are no Su'a Cravens, Budda Bakers, Royce Freemans, Anu Solomons or Nick Wilsons coming on board to make immediate impacts.
72. That is the final thought I'll leave you jokers with. That is the number of losses CU has had since GB was fired in 2005, up to and including the Cal game. Roughly 8 losses per season for the last 9 years. Kansas State before Bill Snyder futility. That was my breaking point where I just simply stopped caring that much. How many wins before I care again? Couldn't tell you, it is likely somewhere between 2-20. Cheers.
Yup.
Always great how someone has to tell someone how little they care anymore
Always great when someone intentionally ignores the meat of a post.
I read it. Disagreed with the lack of talent and terrible OL card. Disagreed with not seeing wins for a minimum of 2 years. If you have to post that you don't care, you still care.
Rep. 2 thoughts:
1. I think you are spot on with your comments on the inability of the OL to pass protect driving the schemes that CU is running (moving the pocket, quick screens, etc). I see a lot of CU fans defending the OL, but Sefo is getting beat up almost every time he doesn't get the ball out in 3 seconds or less. I think part of that is predicated CU's inability to run to set up the pass. We'll see what happens with Gehrke.
2. You are right; the talent disparity between CU and even other teams at the bottom of the Pac12 standings is pretty apparent. Part of that is that a lot of the 2 deep roster are kids that were playing on Friday nights no more than 2 years ago, and so they're giving up a lot of physical maturity. I don't think we'll see this get better until the majority of MM's kids have had a chance to mature.
So coaching is the problem?
If lefty admitted that he still cares, would you pay more attention to the rest of the post? He did also call you out, which might be a problem for you.
For the most part, I agree with his post. We have a talent issue. The commentators on the Pac12 network or Fox1 point this out every single week.
Yeah, I took a cheap shot at tini and FLounder, more to make a point than to rag on them. In a weird sort of way, I am strangely watching their ability to keep the sunshine pumping...I can't.
Should be interesting to see how 2015 goes because the youth argument/excuse/crutch goes out the window. I tend to think talent is the much bigger issue, but hopefully will be proven wrong.
Turnovers and youth, both of which tend to go hand-in-hand. You could make an argument that so does talent, but I think the fact that other than our OL, we are starting pretty much all underclassmen is the biggest issue we have. 2015 is finally a year where we have a majority veteran team. I believe we have enough talent on this team to have beaten Cal, OSU, and UCLA this year, but except for Cal turnovers bit us in the ass in all of those games (and injuries). I think for the most part coaches have done an exceptional job this year, but I do want Neinas at a minimum to be replaced.
I just find it odd that anyone would make a long post like that but then claim they don't care. We do have a talent issue, but I don't believe it's as big of a deal as some are making it out to be. The top of the Pac 12 has loads more talent than we do, but the bottom? Ehh. We were bigger and faster than OSU for the most part, but we didn't execute...nor did we have Mannion who made some incredible plays. Cal has a couple explosive guys, but we didn't execute and broke down at key moments in the game. UCLA absolutely has more talent than we do, but we were in that game and the terrible 1st quarter doomed us.
We need to force more turnovers on defense. We need to turn the ball over less on offense. We need more explosive plays. We need to cut down on allowing the explosive play. We also need more upperclassmen starting and in our two deep. We're relying on too many underclassmen right now in a league full of dudes. Utah has struggled in the Pac 12 before this year, but now they have upperclassmen leading them and they are a good team (a team I still expect to beat).
How so?
I am kind of wondering.
In various post recently tini has argued that the talent is not lacking and the coaching is exceptional.
How in that case are we looking at a 2-10 season?
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Hmm. So then, why do players get benched for committing turn overs? Isn't doing so, in part, the coaching staff sending a message to the players to not commit them? And doesn't that, the threat of getting benched, put pressure on them? I think that turn overs, especially interceptions, can be attributed to, in a sense, a lack of "mental effort" can't it?
I think fumbles are a little different than interceptions. I would argue that many coaches make bad decisions based on wrong thinking. I'm a huge believer in playing best while playing loose. The hard work and ass kicking is done in the preparation. When it comes to game time you need to let it fly. Fear, doubt, tightness, hesitation, second guessing yourself....none of that helps most people perform at optimal levels. If you're going to make a change, make the change. I don't think it's great to make a change to send a message.
Didn't you watch Point Break?
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I think it's basically youth and then luck.
DBT I think this is spot on.
Sefo has demonstrated success at a high level within conference. And he has, unfortunately, demonstrated mistakes/failure at a conference leading pace. For sure, nobody is perfect.
It is essential that the staff reward success, and also, not be afraid to address consistent mistakes. I think Sefo will be the beneficiary from this competition. Competition is good for everyone.
If Gehrke emerges from this, hats off to him. If Sefo raises his game as a result, hats off to him.
Coaches must, and need, to continue to push this team to get better. For everyone's sake.
My guess is the QB competition is going to be wide, wide open in 2015 and this is basically the start of it. Or maybe that is just my hope, but I think there is more substance to this other than trying to work Gehrke in a few games at the end of the year.
Lindgren/Mac consistently talk about their QB's being accurate and taking care of the ball. Those two seem to be their mo for the QB position. We have a QB who is pretty good at one and terrible at the other. Is Gehrke going to be better in these two areas the next couple games? I highly doubt it. I think the staff is going to completely open this up in the spring and hope we have a QB step up who hasn't played yet.
Lindgren/Mac consistently talk about their QB's being accurate and taking care of the ball. Those two seem to be their mo for the QB position. We have a QB who is pretty good at one and terrible at the other. Is Gehrke going to be better in these two areas the next couple games? I highly doubt it. I think the staff is going to completely open this up in the spring and hope we have a QB step up who hasn't played yet.
yep ^ . Coaches jobs are to push kids and push competition within the team position by position. The QB position will be wide open next season (MM did not recruit Sefo).
Sefo has done a decent job, but protecting the ball is part of the position he has note done well with. You can win more games protecting the ball vs being a stat guy. One of these QB's on our roster needs to now take the next step -