Discussion in 'Colorado Basketball Message Board' started by GoBuffs!!, Jan 13, 2011.
heck, we had our hands on a lot of boards last night that we didn't even end up with....but, you watch, our guys are in good position a lot of the time and good things happen.
The Princeton offense generally doesn't put guys in great position for offensive boards. That was part of Bz's problem.
Roberson is a key in rebounding. The guy just grabs every board around him, probably the fastest hands on the team. Sadly he wouldn't fit in BZ's system and wouldn't have been on the team if BZ didn't find a better job.
boyle coaches circles around bzzz
Let's hope he sticks around and can bring in a couple of studs to keep in going.
Just saw this Twitter:
"There are two huge indictments to Jeff Bzdelik's ability as a coach - Wake's performance this year, and Colorado's performance this year."
True but get back to me on rebounding stats when cu faces kansas...
Bzdelik did a lot of good for our program. Let's not forget that he recruited and developed almost all of our team leaders. His contract and the pressure he applied was one of the big drivers for our practice facility project happening.
I'm a huge Boyle guy and believe it was the right change at the right time, but I appreciate the work that Bz did here.
I think it's easy to dismiss Bzdelik as a failure at CU because of what Boyle has done in a short time. I think it's important to remember that the players that Boyle is coaching were all recruited by Bzdelik. That big practice facility that's progressing nicely? That wouldn't be there if it weren't for Jeff Bzdelik. He was the right guy at the right time and he left when he needed to. Everybody is better off for it, except maybe Wake Forest.
I still don't understand all the hate for JB. Its not like anyone thought he was going to stay at CU for long. It's not everyday an ACC job comes knocking on your door.
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Thank you Sacky and Nik for bringing some sense to this thread. Look, it's great to be excited about Boyle and what the program has done, but let's not forget about that this is Bz's program that Boyle is coaching. Roberson is making some contributions, sure, but everyone else, they're all Bz's kids. Bz did good things for the program, just like RP did. Both had their time, and they should be appreciated for what they did...not dogged for what their successors are doing built off of their work.
And that tweet...moronic. Boyle may end up being a better coach, but at this point, Bz is still better recognized as a coach. Bz has such a proven track record and credentials...Wake was a **** storm when Bz got there...this year was going to be a struggle...whereas CU was on the way up when Bz left.
these guys just put in a group effort to get boards. its fun to watch, keep it up gentleman.
Agree. I wouldn't bag on Bz. We are much better off because of him. I don't know if Bz or Boyle is the better coach, but Bz is a heck of a coach. We may not have had the results, but our teams were competitive under Bz and were trending upward. I thought it was a huge improvement over Patton's teams. In 2009, we had to be the best team ever to go 1-15 in conference play. Our team was competitive last year as well. We just couldn't quite get over the hump in close games. This year, Bz has two freshmen and two sophomores starting for him. I think Bz needs his guys in his system for a few years before you start seeing the results. My only question about Bz is his ability to recruit on the biggest stage. He might be better off at a good but not great basketball program where he can coach up good coachable players. No matter how well he coaches, I don't know if he will be able to recruit the players to compete to the level that they expect at Wake. My personal feeling is that a program like Colorado was probably a better match for him, but I guess we'll see. I do hope that Wake gives him time.
I don't blame him at all for leaving. Our program is better off. He left for a way better job.
I can't ignore the positives Bz did for the program as a whole. It just didn't set right with me when, and how, he left including the $500K buyout snafu.
In retrospect, Bz as a coach was a bit better than Patton, and Boyle (contrary to my initial thoughts) seems better than Bz. Maybe only a half-step each time, but the coaching is on an upward swing. And, yes, I think that Boyle might think long and hard about a gig at one of the more "glamorous" bball schools, if the opportunity presents itself.
Since we're not a "bball" school, perhaps this is what we should hope for in coaching changes. A few better recruits and a few more wins each time -- just keep growing.
He paid the money.
i think it's OK to have mixed feelings about Jeff Bz. i was not a huge fan of Bz (as the hire at the time) and have never made that a secret. I found those games that McClain coached in Hawaii last season to be pretty refreshing...but, Jeff did some good things for us....but, we also endured a few dismal seasons as well.
10-4. I'll mark that off my list of grudges.
I thought Knutson made an interesting comment in the BC article: "We`re a different team this year. Period," Knutson said. "We`re defending better, we`re rebounding better, we`re together, and that`s what it takes to win Big 12 games." I could chalk this up to a player feeding lines to the media, but from what I've seen this year, I tend to agree with him.
I thought (at the time) that McLain should have been selected when Bz left. I thinking now that it might be a good thing he wasn't. Boyle has won me over.
i wasn't 100% on Boyle and McClain was 50/50 with me (since it meant Burks and I like Steve and pulled for his Wyo teams). My step-dad (OU guy) knows a lot about the game, played at OU a bit, and has had OU season tix since the 70's said the Boyle's UNC team was one of the best coached OOC teams he's seen in a while at the Lloyd Noble Center when the Bears nearly beat OU. So, I was impressed with that.
Knowing Tad and his family, I'm very confident that he is in for the long haul here at CU. He's a Colorado guy, he loves it here. If Kansas were to come calling, that may make things interesting, but that would be the only place. I don't think Kansas will be looking for a new head man anytime soon anyway.
one reason to pull a bit for ATM when it doesn't impact CU. Turgeon would also be on any KU post-Self short list.
If Kansas comes calling that means that Tad made CU one of the top programs in the country, I would be ok with that.
I am not hating on Bz's coaching ability, but I was very unimpressed with the way he left the program, seemed very unprofessional to me. I am extremely happy with Tad, I not only like winning, but I find his style of play much more interesting to watch. I still to this day dont understand why Bz has so much respect behind his name. That is what was needed to get CU off their ass and start paying attention to the BBall program, so I am happy about it, but what has Bz really done? I agree he was a huge improvement over Patton, which I was not a fan of at all, but I will reconize his ability to recruit. Bz did buid the foundation for CU's program, and I will thank him for that, I just have little respect for the way he left the program. To set things straight here is my break down of the past coaches.
Patton: Great recruiter, couldnt coach worth a damn. This was shown that the players he brought to CU being very talented, and could beat a lot of teams, but every year Patton's teams finished weak, and seemed to play their best ball in November. All too often we had the best talent on the court, yet lost to lesser teams.
Bz: Almost the exact opposite of Patton. He was a pretty good game day coach, but was not a coach that could consistantly recruit talent to play at the Big 12 level. Yes he got players like Burks and Higgins, but both of those guys I think were way underrated coming out of HS. Bz could reconize the underrated talent, but he failed when he had to actually compete against big time programs. Many will say that leaving Burks and Higgins was the best thing that Bz brought to CU, but I have to disagree, Bz brought the mindset that CU could be a big time program, got the practice facility built, and in general changed the perception of CU basketball (Hawkins ****ing up the football team helped a little too).
Boyle: I think this was the perfect guy at the perfect time. I dont think he could have built a program like Bz did, as he didnt have the political power when coming in. He took the kids that Bz left him, and is able to coach them up to the program he wants to run. I expect that in a few years he will have CU basketball regarded very highly and he will soon have the power to get what he needs from the administration. I have said it before but I am a huge fan of his style of play, and I think it will translate very well to Pac12 play.
By and large, I think this is a very good post, especially the part about the timing and Bz having more political power to get things done at CU. I will say, though, that Air Force and CU are not easy places to recruit basketball players to. Bz was going to have to build his recruiting upon consistently winning, something he never got the chance to prove at CU. Recruiting will never be his strength, but I think it remains to be seen whether he can recruit sufficient talent to sustain a top tier program. If he's going to be successful, he'll be a build it and they will come type of coach.
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