MrFrumpylane
Well-Known Member
Of course it's easier said than done, but what we DO know is that CSU is a ****** team in a ****** conference and Sac State is DII. No excuses to losing to that level of caliber. Ever. Am I wrong?
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Of course it's easier said than done, but what we DO know is that CSU is a ****** team in a ****** conference and Sac State is DII. No excuses to losing to that level of caliber. Ever. Am I wrong?
moett88
Well-Known Member
While I hear you guys being in the recruiting business I've seen some awful things. I've seen coaches derail offers, I've watched kids be committed to a program for a year and had their offers pulled in April because a coach decided to go a different way. Again this is a business that has very little loyalty. Kids are products. Someone yelling to GT catch the tucking ball is a fresh reminder of that...
It is the ugly side of major college athletics that us fans rarely see. On the inside I am sure you and your family are dealing with a lot of that. I hope things work out for JT and you all. We need him here. Praying for you guys.
fervorfactor
Active Member
I'll give credit to whoever made this decision. It probably wasn't Bohn. Learn a lesson from the Hawk extension, lick your wounds and hope you can recover in a few years. Great recruits like Jeff need to know the direction of the program and do what is best for themselves. Embree sold a bill of goods to recruits on which he couldn't deliver, it was obvious. His announcement to retool the offense from Pro to spread meant a different set of players were needed and sent an obtuse message. As far as players being furious, they didn't play to a level to help Embree. He didn't inspire them or put them in a position to succeed. They didn't play. Erase the board and start over.
Wait... seriously? trying to relive the glory days of the program is what WE'RE doing? I was pretty certain that by hiring a bunch of ex CU players that it was CU that was trying to relive it's glory days. Now I'm so confused.
Seriously, Embree was a complete failure. Unless failure is to be encouraged, CU had little choice in the matter. They did what they had to do. I'm sorry if that puts your panties in a wad. I'm guessing that you're OK with historically pathetic football. I'm not.
BLKnGLD_swag
Member
moett88
Well-Known Member
One of the things I love best about this board is always being able to chop it up honestly with everyone. Tough skin, good or bad always got info and different perspective on things. So i want to share...when Jeff was sent home we had about 5 other D1 options. Problem was a decision had to be made within 2 days because school was starting and he needed to be on campus. We chose to STAY with CU out of the believe that things are going to change...CU fans are awesome and believe in each other no matter what. That the education from your school means something. And that the playing time the young ones are getting is invaluable. We put everything on the line believing in its coach and institution.
I'm sorry, but I have to respond to this.
Patience is fine so long as progress is being shown. There isn't a single objective measure that we can look at from this season that indicates any kind of progress being made. None. Our recruiting rankings over the last 5 years average somewhere in the 50's or 60's, yet we were DEAD LAST in nearly every statistical category this year. That's not a talent issue. It's an issue of the coaching staff not properly preparing the players and doing the things they need to do in order to win football games. It's gross incompetence. I'm sorry if that hurts. I'm sorry if you're pissed off, but the fact of the matter is that Embree is incompetent. I'm sure he's a great guy and a positive role model. That and $.25 will get you a phone call to somebody who gives a sh!t. This isn't high school. Standards have not been met. There are consequences in life for failing to live up to the standards that have been laid out.
You're taking a timeout. This is not acceptable.
Lt.Col.FrankSlade
Well-Known Member
Should be hard to live with dropping a 1-11 season.
Can't go around asking for patience, collect a big paycheck, and show absolutely nothing for it.
Buffs needed to make a change, and made it.
I'm glad to hear that. I want Jeff to have all the success in the world. You all have shown faith and commitment to Colorado, and I hope that it is returned as well as rewarded.
BoulderBorn
Well-Known Member
The kids that are here or in the case of JT those that may be here sound angry and shocked. Totally understandable. However, when they signed on the dotted they know the risk anywhere. Tedford, Kiffin on the hot seat, Dooley etc. etc. that is part of the deal. But sometimes things work out for the better even though we can't see it at the time. I'm sure many of the AZ players loved Stoops, but some of their own personal fortunes may have changed for the better when Rich Rod came in, whether it be more PT for some or just the fact that they started winning and began to receive positive accolades. When one door shuts another one opens whether it be here in Boulder or elsewhere. Yes you can transfer, but how solid and safe is the staff you are transferring to? There really is no such thing, coaches that succeee take off suddenly too. Watch, even Chip Kelley could be on the move to the NFL.
A tough days for a lot of Buffs. Also, a tough decision that I'm glad was made. The way things were trending wasn't acceptable.
I hope to see JT on the field next year.
I hope to see JT on the field next year.
Thank you.
This chucklehead is extremely happy.
Moett88 - your posts here have been one of the things that I and many others enjoy about this community. We get all types and all perspectives around here - but many of us will remember firing off browser ballots to make sure our newly committed Buffs were recognised. Obviously we can't all be tied as closely to the program as we would like to be, but we do support with our time, our money and our passion. I know I will continue to look forward to seeing your young man take the field proudly wearing the black and gold, not just because of stat lines, but because you have taken the time to let us in on your experience. If the best choice for your family is not Colorado, some of us will understand, (probably some will cry sour grapes too), but in the meantime I hope you all find the peace and patience to allow the absolute best situation to reveal itself. My thoughts and prayers are with you.
moett88
Well-Known Member
Pretty much because sanctions are going to slap Kelley in the face...
Moett- I can't imagine how hard this is right now. To have this kind of uncertainty for your son has got to be the hardest thing for any parent. As much as I personally am anxious to see Jeff in black and gold, I am relieved to hear that he had those 5 D-1 offers. We want the best for Jeff, in Boulder or elsewhere. I have to believe that if a new CU staff does not honor the offer to Jeff (and I will be greatly bothered, not only because it would be the wrong way to treat the young man, but because I would have to question their evaluation of talent), another staff somewhere else will.
And while the coaches you put your faith in may not be around anymore, the institution you put your faith in is, and that education will mean just as much for Jeff's future. We will certainly all be keeping a good thought out for you and for Jeff, and hope you'll keep us updated. You're all in our thoughts...
In a perfect situation, perhaps Embree could have gotten a more standard term (4 years or something) but look how the program is cratering. You can't do 5 years of Hawkins and 4 or 5 of Embree with these results and expect to crawl away from that. The state of the program is desperate, and it dictated unusual (desperate?) measures. Will they save things? We don't know. It depends on who gets hired and some other factors. But decision-making like this is always an odds game. The odds were no longer in Embree's favor (based on the lack of progress we saw on the field in 2 years). The cushion that a guy like Hawk had isn't available anymore (in large part because of the outcomes under Hawkins' tenure). This move restores some hope. It may be false hope (only time will tell) but if you are looking at this from the perpective of people trying to keep a program alive (and season tickets selling, etc.) it will equal dollars and donations. Embree would need 2 decent years to get us back to that point.
Sorry. But it's a smart business move. Even if the short leash makes coaches hesitant to take the job...leaving them an even deeper crater next year (or the year after that) would achieve very similar negative results in terms of attracting coaching talent.
It's the best choice among a lot of bad options and in a bad situation. I feel for Jon and his staff though...
Sorry. But it's a smart business move. Even if the short leash makes coaches hesitant to take the job...leaving them an even deeper crater next year (or the year after that) would achieve very similar negative results in terms of attracting coaching talent.
It's the best choice among a lot of bad options and in a bad situation. I feel for Jon and his staff though...
Walter White
Member
No kidding. Since you are in school, here is a lesson on real life.
This is what screwed him the most. If he said we were going to be a 2-3 win team this year with 2013 being a breakout year, he probably is still the coach. But to miss the mark so badly doesn't give anyone confidence in his prediction that the team was improving.
No. His team's lack of performance on the field screwed him the most. If he had said we'd only win 2-3 games this year and still came out with the season we had, everyone would still be calling for his head.
This
o_robbie
I don't think before I post
To the players that are committed and are currently on scholarship: Sit down and take a long look at the difference between winning and losing. It really is a matter of 3 yards here, a play there, the right preparation the day before on a specials teams play. Your current staff wasn't able to recognize or instill the recognition to you on how to do this. Some of this falls on the players and there athletic ability. Most falls on the coaches.
Colorado will continue to hire and fire coaches until they find someone who will put you in the right place to succeed on the field. I can assure you that you will not forget Embree or the toughness he instilled in you but you also will appreciate the coach who helps you win.
Colorado will continue to hire and fire coaches until they find someone who will put you in the right place to succeed on the field. I can assure you that you will not forget Embree or the toughness he instilled in you but you also will appreciate the coach who helps you win.
Emotions are rightfully high. I'm ok with people getting a chance to vent.
For those here who wanted the coaching change, I really wish you'd respect this and not feel a need to spike the ball.
The push I supported was never an anti-Jon Embree thing, it was about CU showing it was willing to make strong decisions, invest in facilities and other improvements, and demand a higher standard for athletics. The results called for change (under a 20% win percentage) unless there were clear trends that demonstrated that things were on the road to significant improvement. The 2013 class not to the level of the 2012 recruiting, the stated need by Embree to change DCs and implement a new offense, and the lack of progress on the scoreboard clearly showed that a re-start was needed. Since there was going to be a re-start, a decision had to be made on whether Embree was the best candidate for that re-start or whether a new coach would be better able to make it happen. We'll never definitively know the answer to that, but the performance to date and the likelihood of a new coach giving a necessary recruiting bump to build on the 2012 class put the odds squarely in favor of new leadership being more likely to succeed.
For those here who wanted the coaching change, I really wish you'd respect this and not feel a need to spike the ball.
The push I supported was never an anti-Jon Embree thing, it was about CU showing it was willing to make strong decisions, invest in facilities and other improvements, and demand a higher standard for athletics. The results called for change (under a 20% win percentage) unless there were clear trends that demonstrated that things were on the road to significant improvement. The 2013 class not to the level of the 2012 recruiting, the stated need by Embree to change DCs and implement a new offense, and the lack of progress on the scoreboard clearly showed that a re-start was needed. Since there was going to be a re-start, a decision had to be made on whether Embree was the best candidate for that re-start or whether a new coach would be better able to make it happen. We'll never definitively know the answer to that, but the performance to date and the likelihood of a new coach giving a necessary recruiting bump to build on the 2012 class put the odds squarely in favor of new leadership being more likely to succeed.
bigbang2
blindslighted
Jeff Hall is not happy, hinting on transferring. Won't surprise me if we lose some players. CU was the youngest team in the nation. Looks like we are going to get even younger. Folks should not expect a miracle next year. I have no faith in Mike Bohn in hiring a suitable coach. The guy will go the cheap route. Don't understand how he gets to keep his job. My expectation for next year is not high. Can only hope we don't get blown out week after week.
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Or Philadelphia will offer him a lot of money....
Members of Buffs for Life had some influence getting JE hired and everyone here wanted JE to succeed. There's no denying JE tried to put his best foot forward to make everything work. However it's been pointed out here time and again since the season started that JE was in over his head. Like it or not, whats done is done. Let's support the team and move forward.