fwiw, I don't think slade is acting this way because he is a lawyer. However, I do think the trait he is displaying is a trait often useful in a lawyer.
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JoPa and his entire staff should be fired
- Thread starter Wyo Buff
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disgusting
The PSU culture, like that of many organizations, looks like something out of a Stanley Milgram experiment. People are conditioned (and maybe inherently disposed) to listen to authority. We pass off personal responsibility for things to those in authority. If you asked the GA if he should have directly intervened, he would probably say he should have. But in that moment within that culture, he didn't see himself as someone who could challenge a figure like Sandusky and didn't see it as his responsibility to do anything other than report it to the top dog so that he could decide what to do. He didn't even call Paterno until the next day. He told his story, he stuck to his story, and he was able to go on working there for the next 8 years as a loyal employee despite what he knew had gone on.
Footnote on Milgram - his experiments made it clear that any medium sized town in America has more than enough people who would do as they're told and run death camps if people in authority applied psychological pressure in the right way.
I hear you. As I said above, I have never had to deal with something like that thankfully. About the closest I ever got was when my roomate and I heard a commotion outside and saw a dude slapping a woman around in the parking lot of the complex where we lived. We both ran outside and were running to the scene when the cop cruiser, literally, slid to a stop between us and the dude and his GF/Wife. I don't know what would have happened had we gotten there before, but the general mood when we set out was, "Let's get him". I imagine I would have felt the same way if I saw a kid getting abused as well....
Lt.Col.FrankSlade
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unbiasedtruth
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I`m not going to give up college football to the Jackie Sherrills and Barry Switzers of the world.....
Well said. Better than my meager explanation. Also, his reaction is often seen when people witnessing a crime do nothing. Most of us say, "boy, if that'd been me, I'd have stepped in." But, when it actually happens, most people don't.
I find it surprising that CU fans, having witnessed first-hand what ESPN and their 'never let the facts get in the way of a good story' reporting style can do, would be so willing to cast judgement so quickly on Joe Pa.
I'm not saying he should keep his job, I'm not saying he should be fired. All I'm saying is that we, as a fanbase, know exactly what facts ESPN chooses to report and what it chooses not to report. If, in the final analysis, it is apparent that Joe Pa neglected his duties, then it should be dealt with then. ESPN's desire to whip up a sanctimonious frenzy to fuel their ratings should not fly, especially among Buff faithful.
I'm not saying he should keep his job, I'm not saying he should be fired. All I'm saying is that we, as a fanbase, know exactly what facts ESPN chooses to report and what it chooses not to report. If, in the final analysis, it is apparent that Joe Pa neglected his duties, then it should be dealt with then. ESPN's desire to whip up a sanctimonious frenzy to fuel their ratings should not fly, especially among Buff faithful.
You know that he testified in front of the grand jury, right? He has admitted to the chain of events. And that is what I judge him on. That he sat idly by and did nothing while his buddy went along his merry way assaulting children.
I don't watch ESPN unless a game is on.
I base my opinion on the Grand Jury Report. I based my opinion of the CU "scandal" on my reading of the depositions the Camera posted. I wouldn't assume everyone here is following ESPiN's lead.
There's very little referencing of ESPN or sports journalism in these threads. We've been using a lot of different sources.
It sounds to me he doesn't really believe in the ethical side of things, only the legal. Wasn't his kid, so he doesn't care.
I don't blame the guy for not doing anything on the spot. I can't say what I would do in that very moment. But I do blame him (and Paterno, and everyone else that covered this up) for not going to the police later that night, the next day, etc. He's been seeing this guy regularly for the last 9 years and never once thought 'hey, I saw that guy raping a little boy. Maybe I should call the cops.'
in another post I set the pin at 13 days. over/under?
I don't think he doesn't care. I think he's like most lawyers, particularly litigators. A good defense attorney can't be swayed by societal norms of "right" and "wrong". His obligation is to put on the best defense possible for his client. If he goes too far down the road of morality, he's unable to do his job properly. We need people like that, but they are infurating at times.
He has very clearly stated that he does not believe there is a right or wrong in this case. That tells me he doesn't really have much of a moral compass.
And no, I don't think he really cares about what happened. He seems more interested in Paterno's tarnished legacy than anything else.
It is a tool. It can be used for good or bad.
Over - he'll maintain his innocence as long as possible, but once the final pieces crumble away (wife/family leave him), and he's facing serious jail time (and prison payback), he'll do it.
According to College Football Live, this guy, is on a recruiting trip and not on campus. You've got to be ****ing kidding me. Im pretty sure I wouldnt open the door for that one. I cant believe this could have been handled any worse.
kalbuff
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You are correct that he has to put on a good defense which really means that he requires the state to prove the charges in court. That mostly has nothing to do with right and wrong. The right and wrong are tied to the law itself which you can think of as basically "public morality." If the prosecution wins the case the defendant is morally wrong as a convicted criminal. And yes, Sackman, we take pride in infuriating you every chance we get.
How come nobody is bringing up the point that the alleged rapist was allowed continued access to the campus and athletic facilities on a regular basis - this for several years after he admitted to taking a shower there with a boy in 1998, and certainly after the charges that were known to be reported to Paterno occured? There are reports that he was with a young boy using athletic facilities as recently as last month.
Everybody at that university who knew that Sundusky had any sort of history with charges like these should have pulled the plug on enabling him to continue what he was doing. This includes Paterno. He knew that Sundusky had been accused of crimes against children, and he looked the other way while Sandusky brought kid after kid with him to the football facilities.
This thing is going to go on for a long time. I have read estimates that this will end up costing the university over $100 million when all is said and done. Why would they make matters worse by delaying in getting rid of the primary people involved?
Everybody at that university who knew that Sundusky had any sort of history with charges like these should have pulled the plug on enabling him to continue what he was doing. This includes Paterno. He knew that Sundusky had been accused of crimes against children, and he looked the other way while Sandusky brought kid after kid with him to the football facilities.
This thing is going to go on for a long time. I have read estimates that this will end up costing the university over $100 million when all is said and done. Why would they make matters worse by delaying in getting rid of the primary people involved?
I'm pretty sure that's been brought up. I think this is at least the second trhead on this, if not more.
Kameltosis
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I think this might be the only time you guys want us to beat Penn State. However, highly doubtful.