Discussion in 'Colorado Football Message Board' started by Duff Man, Sep 1, 2010.
You just HAD to go ahead and do that, didn't you? :lol:
Not this **** again.. I wasn't around for the McCartney days, but I've seen the Hawk days and they suck. If we don't get rid of him after another season of ball sucking, we're going to be ****ed for years to come because of the crappy recruiting.
cough. cough. asshole. cough. cough :smile2:
I'll just leave this here...
on Hawkins porch.
Woellk = MB lapdog.
Aside from the horrible comparison, I thought the funniest part of the column was the quality of wins section. I think he is actually trying to call last year's win over Kansas, a team that would end up winning ONE conference game, a quality win because they were ranked when we beat them. Nice.:lol:
No ****. What happened to the old Woelk who would call out the AD and school when it was necessary? Did he leave town with Barnett?
I honestly don't think he's doing MB's bidding here. I think MB would like nothing better than to fire Hawkins. It serves no purpose to try to come up with excuses to keep him around.
The only thing Hawk and Mac have in common is the second letter of their last name. Please, for the love of Ralphie, stop comparing Hawk to a guy who actually won here.
I blame ****ing 'leash.
Hawkins McCartney :wink2:
They are also both people who have not been in my kitchen.
Well ****, see that don't even have that in common...
Maybe I really am Woelk, bwhahahahaha:smile2:
"OMG, it's Cliff's dream board. Beer, Florida, Mothers and Sons...."
[something like that]
I like how you guys loved Woelk during the scandal when he was one journalist who defended Barnett and the program and now that you PERCIEIVE that he's defending Hawkins, he is suddenly a shill for Mike Bohn. You guys just jumped to the conclusion that Woelk is arguing that if you compare Hawkins to McCartney that he will come out favorably. I don't think that was his intent.
Come on DBT, I know you are just arguing these days because you want to disagree with the crowd, but are you going to argue Woelk has not been an ardent Hawkins defender? Really?
Dude has no business being in the same breath as Mac, you gotta earn that. I know the 5 years are similar crap but Mac actually had a plan and worked toward it. We still dont know what the hell we are gonna see, no identity at all. What was it DScott said? "Hawk has a vision and I want to be a part of that vision." Umm what vision was that exactly?
Listen, I don't read that many Woelk articles. I think he tends to be a bit more like I. Kind of pragmatic. I think he pointed out that the most important thing is winning but there are other things to look at. One was "Quality of wins and margin of defeat." He did not compare Hawkins all that favorably to Mac. I thought his argument was correct that we will have a good core of players returning next year and if we win this year, this bodes well. If.
His "Recruiting" comparison was weak. Mac was bringing in top ranked classes even while he did not have that much success on the field. Hawkins is not. But I do agree with Woelk that Hawk does seem to have a pinchant for finding diamonds in the rough. IF he turns this thing around and is retained, that will be one of his strengths.
I agree, also, with his "Coaching Staff" comparison to some degree. I've got a friend who played for CU, was MVP in the Gator Bowl, and played one year in the NFL. I will never forget, way back in the mid 80's, as Mac was beginning to turn things around, saying to him, "Hey, how about that Mac?" He said, yeah, he's doing well but he doesn't have a very good coaching staff. Remember, Hawk thought he'd be bringing his staff from Boise to CU. Didn't happen. So, he's had to build a staff on the fly. While we can argue about the likes of Collins, Johnson and Riddle, it looks like Prince and Ambrose may be really good. Also, I think Kiesau will be really good.
But like Woelk says, winning is "clearly the most important part of the discussion..."
Trying to compare Hawk to Mac makes no sense from the outset because when Mac took over the program it truly was burned to the ground.
Sounds like Woelk is already setting the stage for keeping Hawk around in the case of a very non-stellar 6-6 regular season. :rolling_eyes:
Dont put it out with your boots Ted!
S.O.S. spoken a different way
I can't respond to this lunacy anymore....
Well thought out. At least I put some effort into it.
If we go 6-6, let's say beating CSU, Hawaii, Baylor, Texas Tech, Iowa St., and Kansas State. That means we won ZERO road games. Regardless of score, that's not good enough. He should be fired. If we go 6-6 with one win on the road, then we still only won 1 road game and that's not enough and we lost to an average team at home. Fired. 6-6 with two road wins, then we lost two home games we shouldn't have lost. Fired. I don't see any 6-6 situation where the quality of wins/losses still constitutes keeping Hawkins. Do you?
Umm. OK. I guess. I mean, what is the argument here. Exactly?
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