Discussion in 'Colorado Football Message Board' started by JimmyBuff, Dec 28, 2011.
ummm. well, that explains their D.
Yeah but their offense is great. I'll take a 11-1 season
no kidding. However, I wonder how the no hitting rule will effect their team toughness down the road as the culture changes.
I believe it already has effected the game. People can't tackle anymore. It's crazy. Even in the NFL.
IT will be interesting to see how OSU players do in the NFL where practices are much tougher (although I believe their is a limit to have many times a team can be in pads during the week) than college and whether they can handle the work load. Still Gundy's job is to win college football games and he's come up with a plan that limits the amount of hits a player takes to lessen the injury load for his team. I'd like CU to start doing some of this kind of research into their program since we've had numerous injury issues.
Sounds like he may be on to something.
Agree with you guys, it does explain their D in some ways. Specifically, at least the games ive watched, they arent very physical and cant tackle for ****. Agree with Vamos too, it has changed the game already. I take O numbers these days with a grain of salt. It makes a huge difference, for a receiver going over the middle, not to have to worry about getting his head taken off as much as in years past. Also, a qb is gonna take more chances when they wont even allow u to touch a receiver anymore. Plus the O gets the benefit of the doubt on those calls almost always. Parker Orms does it just right against Utah, ****ing textbook, still gets flagged. Hell even the officials have been affected by the new rules.
If the rule changes are effective at moderating the long-term health consequences associated with playing football, I think they are a good thing; a lot of players deal with some pretty terrible issues even after their playing days are long over.
They'll do hitting in the summer and be fine.
Is the joke?
With the new rules in the NFL I heard about today on the raidio this is how to get ahead with the recruits comeing out of HS. You won't get your ass kicked in practice, it will sell big time.
I refuse to have an opinion on this until Wyoming weighs in.
Well the Ducks used only 2/3 of their practice time they were allotted by the NCAA so it is not all that surprising. The lack of hitting jumped out at me, but practice time is not that surprising.
Thats exactly why they get beat by physical teams, hitting in practice makes a difference. Football will never change in that way.
When Embree made the decision to have extremely physical practices I was concerned. As the season began I think he backed off a bit. Finding the right balance of physicallity vs execution is, thinking about this, one of a coaches most difficult ballancing acts. You just cannot run the players into the ground. Yet, you want to establish a smash mouth mentality. Difficult deal.
Who the Ducks or OSU? The Ducks tackle in practice, but in that practice they are running at what Chip calls hyper speed. They get more plays calls in then most teams would in 1/3 or 2/3 of the practice time which is why the Ducks are so well conditioned. The reason the Ducks get beat by physical teams is because recruiting big OL/DL is damn near impossible unless the school is in So-Cal or SEC country. Oregon is not exactly known for pumping out first class lineman all that often.
Their D sucks too really, hyper speed my ass. All good till somebody busts your ass in the mouth. Oregon is finnesse period and yes u can recruit physical linemen on both sides besides the areas mentioned. You guys already have a dirty program so it shouldnt be hard. There is a reason u dont have those guys, look up.
CD's butt is water tight and has teeth!
Seriously I have had better flames thrown at me before about Oregon so you need to step up your game lol. There are a limited amount of big physical lineman on both sides of the ball in recruiting and getting them to come to Oregon is not easy. If it was so easy it would have been done already and I would not be talking about Oregon coming into this Rose Bowl having lost their last 2 BCS games. The main reason Oregon does not have a lot of big uglies is due to career ending injuries and some awful recruiting luck the past few years.
P.S. I love the dirty program talk because if the NCAA had any real power they could probably find dirt on every school. Recruiting can be and is a very dirty process where most coaches skirt the lines of cheating/following the rules every day. I will not defend Oregon for what they may or may not have done until the final verdict is read, but I hope some fans can get past that and actually discuss football.
My ass has teeth? Can I just blame that on being Canadian?
Canadian asses don't have teeth. Of this I'm 100% confident.
Are they good kissers?
Well good to know you have managed to hook up with some fine Canadian ass. I prefer Canadian over American women because the whole slutty routine that most American woman do is slightly annoying.
Not trying to flame you, pretty good guy it seems. U think Oregon is clean, lol on that one. You arent gonna get physical guys to play in that system, doesnt matter where they are. Oregon can run with anybody but they get brought back to earth when they play teams that can control the front.
I thought I pretty much said every NCAA team is dirty. Controlling the front will not beat Oregon alone, but the way to beat them is controlling all the gaps. If a team just dominates the Oregon OL, but the RB's can still get to the outside it does not matter how good the DL plays because the Ducks speed will kill. All a team needs is gap control and not a massive OL.
Dude they wont win getting their ass kicked up front, I dont care how much speed they have. Of course they will make plays here and there. Scoreboard is all that matters. They couldnt do jack against Auburn, LSU, etc for a reason. Im aware they have as much speed as anybody but that doesnt do alot when your oline cant matchup with physical dlinemen. Call me old fashioned but it all begins and ends up front, always has always will no matter what gimmick bs u run. Oh and some are dirtier than others lol. Anyhow, should be a fun Rose Bowl to watch.
i like Gundy. though, i'd like to see the OSU OOC v. OU's OOC before i give him credit for a % win over Stoops in this time period of "following his muse". OU always seems to play good teams and a cupcake OOC. OSU has got better, but still a lot of cupcakes. lot La-Lafayette types.
edit: Hawkins was also a proponent of the less hitting theory. as was Shanny. Bill Walsh. not sure we are reinventing the wheel here.
Wally, you can guess where I stand on this. I believe that football is football. In the end, its blocking and tackling no matter what kind of package you run. You cannot do either one effectively without practice. Practice is brutal and a there has to be a balance so you have fresh legs for the game. That said, the body can be conditioned to accept and to deliver a great deal of punishment. I am about punishment. We need to get to a point in our program where we can put the young-ones through the meat-grinder and train them to correctly deliver and take punishment. The older players and starters still need to hit but you can do things in-season to save their legs for the games. The meat-squad, young guys and red-shirts should go to war everyday in practice.
That's exactly my opinion too!
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