Discussion in 'Colorado Football Message Board' started by Buff fanatic, Oct 31, 2010.
I would be all over him for OC, but not for HC yet. I think he would come if Mac was the HC and he was to be groomed. I can tell you that our recruiting would pick up with him. He was ranked the #1 recruiter in the nation before he went to the Vikings, and his stint there coaching AP would only improve him as a recruiter IMO.
CU would be crazy not to have him as a OC. NVTS NUTS!
I just don't think Scooter's ego would let him take anything less than the top spot. I've heard (RUMOR ALERT!) he wouldn't take a spot under Mac. Eric thinks he's ready for the HC gig. At least here at CU.
There is NO WAY he comes here for less than the HC job. He is the Assistant head coach of an NFL team. Why would he take a demotion?
Not too thrilled about EB as head coach but I think he'd be a great choice as OC.
Would EB consider coming back under Mac with the promise of getting the HC job after a year or two?
EDIT: Not saying this is a situation I would favor, just testing the waters...
Eric Bienemy has John Blake written all over him, imo.
How about EB as HC and Mac as his special asst or some role like that?
Uhh, Maybe it's because Mac wants to be a HC again. :lol:
If he won't check his ego in order to take a spot under Mac, of all people, I'm really not sure I'm all that excited about bringing him in. I've seen enough of somebody putting his ego ahead of the program. I thought the whole point of bringing in an alum was to have somebody who would put the program first and was all about being a "true Buff". If EB isn't going to bring that, I think we can find somebody else to give on the job training as a coordinator.
If anybody could talk EB into taking the OC gig, my money is on Mac, though.
If the plan is for Mac to mentor someone, then that someone will be, in essence, the assistant head coach and will command a salary commensurate with the position. Can CU afford to pay a HC salary and, say, $700 grand for an assistant HC? $500 grand?
You don't want Bienemy as the OC because he would be up in the box all game and take his energy off the sideline.
Can someone explain how being a running back coach for one of the best RB in the NFL qualifies him for being a HC in College?
Let's be honest about this. EB was a great player at CU, but what does he have in his resume that says I'm your next head coach. Is Minnesota doing anything on offense that makes you say what a great team? They have one of the top 3 running backs in the NFL and they begged and pleaded for Grandpa Farve to come back another year. Clearly not believing that AP and the other running backs could take over games.
Prior to Josh McDaniels with the Broncos, Denver always was top 5 in the league in rushing. It didn't matter who they had as a RB. Every year they would pump out a 1,000 yard rusher. Now they are dead last is rushing and McDumbass was supposed to be the next hot NFL head coach.
I understand the sentiment, and all the people wanting someone from the glory days. The people that EB and staff would be recruiting have no clue about anything he did at CU 20 years ago. They were not alive.
The question again, what has EB done that says he is the guy that will turn things around?
Kudos to you for thinking of that. We sure could use someone like EB on the CU sidelines right now.
Also EB already knows the Pac-10 schools from coaching at UCLA so that's an added bonus. I'm sure EB could coach on the sidelines as the OC although.
I'll be honest, he brings passion and intensity, something we lack...Danny wants to stay out of the mountains and valleys... whatever the **** that means. He wouldn't turn his back when the kicker is kicking and have a ****ing stupid ass grin on his face.
A rb coach can't do anything about the other teams stacking the box because Brett ol' Fart can't throw his way out of a paper bag anymore. Plus the Broncos had a much better line then than the vikings do now.
I'm with you on this one.
This post shows tons of ignorance. It's one thing to coach a great talent, it's another thing to get that talent to perform at a very high level. See Darrell Scott. Not only will EB recruit the best players in the country to Boulder, he'll also get the most out of their ability.
To say that EB has only coached great players is a joke. Heck, look at the 01',02' CU teams. Both teams ranked in the top 10 of the country in rushing. The favorite and most talented HB, Marcus Houston, wasn't even in the top four or five at the position. The unit produced anyways.
His units have dominated everywhere he's gone from his time at CU, to UCLA where he coached and grew Maurice Jones Drew, and then the Vikings. Most only see Adrian Peterson yet they neglect to look at what EB did his first year there coaching the HB's... when he took over the Minnesota ground game in 2006, it ranked 27th in the league. In one season he increased that rushing unit to 12th overall and Chester Taylor (who?) had a career year with over 1200 yds rushing.
The fact is you know what you'll get with EB and this is what makes him a great candidate:
1. He's a dynamite recruiter, something we'll need being paired in the Pac 12 South w/ annual trips to Socal especially if we want to get back on the national stage.
2. Intensity - This program has flatlined in recent years and has lacked a spark and enthusiasm of a champion. They need that swagger back. Everytime EB has stepped foot on campus, it has been gold for the University.
3. Powerful Run Game - His track record speaks for itself but if that wasn't enough, CU needs to get back to it's roots. The run game at CU in the thin air and the cold weather goes hand n' hand. It will give us a distinct tactical advantage vs. the Arizona/Socal schools. We need to be on that. The best thing Stanford is doing right now is showing the rest of the country that you can still play that brand of football in the land of the spread offense, and it will be vastly affective.
4. R-T-D - Return to dominance. We need people around this program that have experienced success here, respect the tradtions, and understand the hurdles of the University while understanding the culture of the city. Bieniemy knows that putting him well ahead of most others who will fall on this list. I imagine he could come in, immediately impact recruiting, get the offense rolling with larger backs and heavy handed/mauler offensive linemen while establishing the attacking style 3-4 defenses which made our program great back in the 90's.
EB's the #1 coach on my list. I love Mac, if he could talk EB into coming back into a head-coach in waiting roll, that would be great but personally i don't think EB needs to do any more. His track-record speaks for itself... he's an AHC for an NFL team that has experienced a lot of success. He's ready now.
BTW, i'd like to know how people consider EB, a John Blake clone?
Please list out many reasons, because I don't see it at all.
Why because they're both black?
Why because they're both black?
No coordinator experience. No head coaching experience. Has he ever called plays? Has he ever designed a game plan for an opponent. Certainly he's been involved in the running game at several universities - what about the passing game?
He's like John Blake in that (if he was hired as CU's head coach) they were hired mainly because they are good recruiters. John Blake was never more than an assistant coach on any level - then stepped in to be OU's head coach. Certainly he recruited light's out at OU, but he didn't have the experience to be a good game day coach. He didn't surround himself with good assistants. There's much more to being a college football coach than being a good recruiter.
Bienemy could very well be a terrific head coach, but he would be learning on the job, too.
CU will not win the Pac 10 without players. That's why Bienemy would be a good choice. Say what you want about Mac, but I never thought much of his game day coaching and I don't know how involved he was with gameplanning. I don't care that Bienemy has never been a coordinator. I don't care that he hasn't called plays. Let the coordinators gameplan. The fact is that CU hasn't recruited the players to really compete at the highest level since Neuheisal left. Detmer was the last CU quarterback to play in the NFL. Brown was the last RB. WR? DB? LB?
Because he's a fake AC in the NFL his only responsibilities are the running game where he has the best back in football. He needs to learn more about what it takes to run an entire offense (coaching a useless bret farve would help him immensely) and what it takes to run a team.
The "I won't take a less than the HC" rumor Valdezj started makes me think he could be. The best coaches, players, employees are those who are always willing to learn, EB could still learn a lot from Mac, and a lot about defense and the passing game while on the job. If he wont sit under him and learn for a year or two at substantially more money he makes now with a ton more responsibility it would be a redflag for me as an employer/interviewer.
Another point Childres was the OC for the eagles during that great run they had with mcnabb, do we know if he's still involved in calling the plays or game planning at all? is EB?
On the Ticket this morning, Cecil Lammie mentioned EB as a potential head coaching candidate for the Broncos (after McD is gone). It seems to me that EB must be a pretty well respected coach in NFL circles. I still would rather have him with Mac, but I tend to agree with other posters that he might not take that.
you're saying if we hire eric bienemy, the coach we hire afterwards will win us a national title? sign him now!
I don't want EB as Offensive Coordinator. OC's don't do much in-season recruiting and they are in the booth instead of on the sideline (as stated). So the 2 main things that Bieniemy would bring to the Buffs have their effectiveness reduced in that position. Further, the talk of him being an OC under Mac is a disaster waiting to happen, imo. With Mac, we'd be getting a guy who hasn't been involved in football for over 15 years. When he was our coach, he had a defensive background and his CU teams were known for having poor offenses and Mac known for poor gameday decisions. (The major coaching critiques of him.) But somehow people think it would be a good idea to take the much older, less in touch, version of Mac as our top guy... and then have him hire an Offensive Coordinator who has never designed an offense or called a play. If you evaluate this dispassionately and grant that "ties to the program" has been irrelevant as an indicator of success in the coaching profession, I don't see how you can think this is anywhere close to the best CU can do with this hire.
If he's being mentioned as a possible NFL HC, then it'd be difficult to see him taking a HC-in-waiting gig at CU. Unless he thinks he's not ready or he would rather be a HC in the college game instead of the pros. Ultimately, it'll be a question for him of what's the best path to take to achieve his goal(s).
Is there a requirement somewhere that offensive coordinators have to work out of the coaching booth? There are plenty of OC's who call plays from the sideline, and with success. Just stick the QB coach or WR coach up in the booth, they can inform the offensive coordinator of the formations / defenses / etc.
And I don't remember CU having "poor offenses" under McCartney. Quite the opposite, actually.
I think we have to hire EB to be HC. Im not positive he'd take the OC position and if he did he'd be gone back to the NFL within 2 seasons as an OC or a HC. I thinks its all in or fold with him. I think he's ready but he wants to keep climbing the ladder.
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