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one rags thoughts on pac 12 coaches

Discussion in 'Colorado Football Message Board' started by slystone, May 7, 2015.

  1. slystone

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  2. Daaah

    Daaah Club Member Club Member

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    FYI: Ranked Last:

    12. Mike MacIntyre, Colorado
    Record at Colorado: 6-18 (2 years)
    Career Record: 22-39 (5 years)

    [​IMG]MacIntyre didn’t inherit much to work with when he replaced Jon Embree after the 2012 season. The Buffaloes are 6-18 over the last two years and have won only one contest in conference play. While the overall record isn’t pretty, MacIntyre has this program on the right track. Colorado lost four Pac-12 games by five points or less last season, and with an experienced roster returning in 2015, the Buffaloes should show progress in the win column. Prior to Colorado, MacIntyre went 16-21 at San Jose State, including a 15-9 mark over the final two years. MacIntyre should move up this list in the coming seasons.
    - See more at: http://athlonsports.com/college-foo...ge-football-coaches-2015#sthash.9fhi4QaC.dpuf


    12. Mike MacIntyre, Colorado
    Record at Colorado: 6-18 (2 years)
    Career Record: 22-39 (5 years)

    [​IMG]MacIntyre didn’t inherit much to work with when he replaced Jon Embree after the 2012 season. The Buffaloes are 6-18 over the last two years and have won only one contest in conference play. While the overall record isn’t pretty, MacIntyre has this program on the right track. Colorado lost four Pac-12 games by five points or less last season, and with an experienced roster returning in 2015, the Buffaloes should show progress in the win column. Prior to Colorado, MacIntyre went 16-21 at San Jose State, including a 15-9 mark over the final two years. MacIntyre should move up this list in the coming seasons.
    - See more at: http://athlonsports.com/college-foo...ge-football-coaches-2015#sthash.9fhi4QaC.dpuf
     
  3. Uncle Ken

    Uncle Ken Orr no morr Club Member

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    sackman Club Member Club Member

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    their record.
     
  5. Uncle Ken

    Uncle Ken Orr no morr Club Member

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    That doesn't require so many words.
     
  6. sackman

    sackman Club Member Club Member

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    He's paid by the word.
     
  7. buffedup

    buffedup Cooler than a Popsicle Stand. Club Member

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    If that were the case, I'd expect something along the length of War & Peace.
     
  8. J.R. Ewing

    J.R. Ewing Club Member Club Member

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    Any time I've clinked on a article link with the word "Rank" in it, I've come away shaking my head. I need to stop doing that.
     
  9. Uncle Ken

    Uncle Ken Orr no morr Club Member

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    Why? I think that shaking your head is a perfectly appropriate response.
     
  10. BuffNut99

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    [​IMG]
     
  11. hokiehead

    hokiehead Gobbler on the Mountain Club Member

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    Agree 100%. more pedantic of a topic than most here are interested in getting into, but these subjective evaluations would be better served by creating groupings (e.g. these guys are the best coaches, these guys suck, these are holding their own) instead of rankings. Rankings just open up silly debates over whether #3 and #4 should be swapped.
     
  12. WasianCU

    WasianCU Club Member Club Member

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    As a reference, here's the rankings from last year when MM was #9:

    - See more at: http://athlonsports.com/college-foo...ge-football-coaches-2014#sthash.gwj5K9RV.dpuf
     
  13. FlaBuff

    FlaBuff I drive a Dodge Stratus! Club Member

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    does Althon's only come out this time of year? It might be a monthly publication but the only time it has any run is pre-season prediction time.
     
  14. BuffUp

    BuffUp Don't want to offend Club Member

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    Of course, what else?
     
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    His pedigree before coming to CU and losing a lot of games is that he had a losing record in a second-tier conference. What exactly is wrong with rating him 12?
     
  16. onealcd

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    Doesn't explain the situation. Numbers are not everything.
     
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    They aren't everything, I agree, but they are something.
     
  18. Duff Man

    Duff Man Moderator Club Member Junta Member

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    It would make more sense in groupings, but I thought they mostly got the order right.
     
  19. onealcd

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    Okay but saying he has a losing record in a second tier conference means absolutely nothing.
     
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    I would probably put Rich Rod above Graham. Peterson seems too high and Sark probably a little too low. He did take over a terrible Washington program and USC was on scholarship restrictions so we will see how he finishes there. I am a huge Whittingham fan so I think he could be higher. I used to like Anderson but the last 6 months have turned me off a little.
     
  21. Quattro

    Quattro Banned BANNED Club Member

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    Sure, but they still ignore the reality of each situation.
     
  22. TSchekler

    TSchekler Hey Peter man, check out channel 9! Club Member

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    I agree and when it comes to CU, even the most optimistic supporter of HCMM can't put him above another coach in the Pac 12 until he shows some more respectability in the W column.
     
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    Quattro Banned BANNED Club Member

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    I would
     
  24. TSchekler

    TSchekler Hey Peter man, check out channel 9! Club Member

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    Who?
     
  25. Uncle Ken

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    I don't think there's anything wrong with ranking him 12th.

    My point, is that if you rank him 12 and conclude by saying that you expect him to rise in the rankings, isn't it just an admission that your ranking is wrong?

    Or maybe he is saying that he expects other coaches to leave and be replaced by less capable hires.
     
  26. Duff Man

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    Yeah, basically 10-12 are pretty interchangeable right now. Not worth really arguing minute details trying to separate them.
     
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    Dykes and Leach
     
  28. TSchekler

    TSchekler Hey Peter man, check out channel 9! Club Member

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    Fair enough. There's definitely not much separating either of those 3 coaches right now.
     
  29. BlackNGold

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    You go 1-17 in the conference then I do not know how you can put him any place other than 12th. He said several coaches would rise in the rankings - I think it is an attempt at being nice.

    I do not see how you can put Dykes below MacIntyre, Dykes beat him this year and showed better improvement.

    To me there are 3 areas to evaluate college coaches:

    1. Recruiting - I subscribe to the "its the jimmys and joes not the x's and o's" school of thought so if you can't recruit you are in trouble.

    2. Having your team ready to play on game day. Meaning they are fundamentally sound in all phases of the game and are ready to go on game day.

    3. In game coaching. Making the in game adjustments making crucial calls in a game to give your team a better chance to win. Really comes into play in close games.

    I think MacIntyre does okay on #2 but has to improve on 1 and 3. I think most people would rank him toward the bottom of the Pac 12. I could see Leach below him but I don't like Leach so that may not be fair, but I could not put anyone else below him.
     
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    Thats what made Hemingway so brutish at times.
     

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