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Pac-10 to invite 6 Big 12 schools
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JimmyBuff
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yeah the SEC.. Tenn, Bama, LSU, UF and Auburn got screwed out of one..
It has some positives but the travel and the distance is going to a problem..
Not a huge fan of the Pac 10 so I'm still on the fence and holding out hope for the Big 12 to stay intact..
Don't like.
Trying to make lemonade out of lemons, I suppose the additional revenue should help us attract and retain better coaches, pay for better facilities, and bring back several varsity sports. I really, really hope this doesn't blow up in our faces. I have a very, very bad feeling about this.
On the plus side, it will widen the gap between CU and CSU. CSU is going to be left in the dust now. This is going to be really, really bad news for them.
*ebraska and Missouri will undoubtedly go to the Big 10, along with Rutgers (I still don't get this, but whatever), Pitt and ND (probably). The SEC will poach Miami, FSU, Clemson and maybe Georgia Tech and we'll have three super conferences, all of which generate freakish money. There will be, in effect, 48 D-1 schools left.
If I were KU fan, I'd be really, really pissed off. Surprising that such a solid basketball program gets left in the dust so easily.
Trying to make lemonade out of lemons, I suppose the additional revenue should help us attract and retain better coaches, pay for better facilities, and bring back several varsity sports. I really, really hope this doesn't blow up in our faces. I have a very, very bad feeling about this.
On the plus side, it will widen the gap between CU and CSU. CSU is going to be left in the dust now. This is going to be really, really bad news for them.
*ebraska and Missouri will undoubtedly go to the Big 10, along with Rutgers (I still don't get this, but whatever), Pitt and ND (probably). The SEC will poach Miami, FSU, Clemson and maybe Georgia Tech and we'll have three super conferences, all of which generate freakish money. There will be, in effect, 48 D-1 schools left.
If I were KU fan, I'd be really, really pissed off. Surprising that such a solid basketball program gets left in the dust so easily.
superdeluxe
Member
New info from Omaha Website:
http://www.omaha.com/article/20100603/NEWS/306039776#barfknecht-pac-10-about-to-raid-the-big-12
http://www.omaha.com/article/20100603/NEWS/306039776#barfknecht-pac-10-about-to-raid-the-big-12
I wonder if this isn't a shotgun approach to expansion. Seems pretty haphazard to me. I would tend to think the Pac would have thought this through a little better.
On the other hand, maybe they have and they already know who will accept and who will not.
Gah. I really hate this. This isn't what I wanted at all. I was really hopeful for a Pac 12 with CU and Utah. That was an arrangement that made sense to me.
shotgun approach makes no sense, especially with TT instead of KU....
77buff
Well-Known Member
Best possible thing that could happen to CU. KU, KSU, ISU, Baylor will go down the ****ter with BP. NU and MU are already going to the Big 10.
This would instantly make the Pac 10 (16) rival the SEC.
The Texas Tech choice is curious. I'd think Utah would be a better choice.
I don't like that Texas & OU stays around but at the same time it would be better
for Colorado than to be left behind.
superdeluxe
Member
Honestly..I think we can assume that the Pac-10 knows what is going on..for months all we heard was B10 this..B10 that..and the Pac-10 was quiet..and than BAM huge news. Pac-10 and Scott played things very close to the vest..reading things about Fox Sports about to create a Pac-16 network..(Maybe just more rumors)
77buff
Well-Known Member
KU will always have a top flight basketball program, the other sports will suffer. Perkins is having big problems. If KU lets him go, somebody will pick him up instantly.
Yep,it ain't fun being a KU fan after today's news.
Perhaps, but the TT and OSU invites are a real head scratcher. They don't bring any TV sets, and don't bring any athletic prestige, either. It could be that UT demanded TT come along and OU did the same for OSU. Still, all this talk about "academic integrity" just got thrown out the window with these invites. There's so much about this that doesn't make sense to me.
superdeluxe
Member
Agree. If it is about having one school per state..than OSU and TT doesn't make sense. Who knows..maybe Kansas wants to go to the B10. Maybe Boone Pickens threw a fit and is riding on OU's coat tails..maybe there is some political pressure..
If the Pac-10 has a deadline..I think this means they have the network ready to go.. (and the estimate of 20 million per)
T-boone... they want his money
77buff
Well-Known Member
Yeah Buddy, you bet they do.
UrbanaBuff
Member
I like everything about this suggestion. If this was how it worked out I would be 100% on board. You have everything I like here.
-A mini playoff and I like the higher seed teams hosting first game with neutral CCG
-Plus each team has a slightly better chance to be in a post season game (semi-final before CCG)
-We can play in LA every other year and play against a team from LA every year and we wouldn't have to play UT and OU every year
-We still get 3 OOC games which I think is VERY important. One OOC is not enough.
I LOVE THIS SCENARIO!!!:thumbsup::smile2::thumbsup:
superdeluxe
Member
disagree, ESPN and Rivals (ESPN=owns the SEC and Rivals is based in the South East) have a hard on for Florida. imho
UrbanaBuff
Member
You mean BCS schools, instead of D-1 schools, right? But even that's only factoring in current BCS status. Say the Big XII resurrects itself by cobbling together the best of the MWC and C-USA... it would be a weak football conference, but better than the Big East, and definitely BCS auto bid worthy.
DeNiro
My Dixie Wrecked
I am for this, there are enough politics to keep UT in check, not control them, but keep them in check... I really like going with OU and OSU, keeping something from the old big 8 alive... When it is all said and done I think KU will squeak in for someone who doesn't go in. Other than being lucky enough to be in the state of Texas, what ties does Tech have to get the pull in? Don't worry about the rest of the Big 12 cast offs as they will join Conf USA or the MWC, whoever bids the most and can pull a BCS bid with them.
class01
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Its better to be included than left behind, but it would have been much sweeter to leave the redneck schools behind. After getting beatup by all these schools in states that have nothing but college football to live for, I was really looking forward to looking down on them from a conf with highly ranked schools in states that are kickass places to live and college football is just a bonus. I'm sick of OK and Neb grads (let alone the people who are just 'fans' because they don't have pro teams) getting a sense of superiority just because their football team is better. TX fans have a good school/city, but the rest of TX isn't a much better place to live.
I don't have the numbers in front of me but Texas is way ahead of anyone else in terms of the number of players signed into D1 programs. California is second but it seems like Florida puts out a few more guys who turn into big time stars, loads of speed out of Florida at every position.
UrbanaBuff
Member
Great call on your choice of non-conference opponents! I'd love to revive the series with the Illini, which is a nod back to CU's glory days in '89 and '90. We still owe Illinois for our one loss during the title year.
I forgot to add that I would also MUCH prefer Utah over TT. But I'm afraid Texas might be demanding TT come along. If you notice ALL the other schools have another school close by them for a natural rival. CU would have...TT???!?!? That is the one thing I don't like about this. If the PAC invited Utah instead of Tech, that would make this just about perfect.
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Does it take a 75% vote to get those fees waived? If so, I can't imagine any amount of arm twisting, short of threatening to lock a University President's daughter in a room with BCS for a weekend, that would get any school to vote to walk away from a couple years worth of conference revenue of 8 programs, to be split 4 ways. Our best bet would be that some conference wants KU for their hoops program (not all that hard to imagine) and KU would be the 9th escapee and 9th vote to waive the exit penalty...
aTm without their big brother in Austin?
OKCBuff
Well-Known Member
Some of y'all don't get Texas/Oklahoma politics. Let me explain how this went down.
Pac-10: "Texas, we've got Colorado on board and want you to join us to form the Pac-12."
Texas: "Well, that'd be mighty right of ya, but we have some requests. Namely, that you accept Texas A&M, Texas Tech and Oklahoma along with us. They're all rivals and UT won't stand for being out-voted by you left-coast hippies, so we want some safety in numbers. And oh, Oklahoma just told me they want Oklahoma State to come along. So we're all five a block -- I hope you understand."
So, the Pac-10, wanting to get to 12 to get that title game and needing one more after CU to get to 12, decide they want UT so bad they're willing to take the other four teams to get UT and to 16 teams. Ultimately, I think UT really wanted OU to come along, and OU insisted on OSU because the state legislature here would have ensured the pairing not be split.
That's how Tech and OSU got into this.
Pac-10: "Texas, we've got Colorado on board and want you to join us to form the Pac-12."
Texas: "Well, that'd be mighty right of ya, but we have some requests. Namely, that you accept Texas A&M, Texas Tech and Oklahoma along with us. They're all rivals and UT won't stand for being out-voted by you left-coast hippies, so we want some safety in numbers. And oh, Oklahoma just told me they want Oklahoma State to come along. So we're all five a block -- I hope you understand."
So, the Pac-10, wanting to get to 12 to get that title game and needing one more after CU to get to 12, decide they want UT so bad they're willing to take the other four teams to get UT and to 16 teams. Ultimately, I think UT really wanted OU to come along, and OU insisted on OSU because the state legislature here would have ensured the pairing not be split.
That's how Tech and OSU got into this.
Timbuff10
Member
I dont doubt that happened at all but I wish the PAC would have told them to pound sand and went after UTah instead. I just don't want CU to be permanently involved with Texas or anywhere east of the Rockies. Besides, I just dont see any of these schools other than CU be a cultural fit for the PAC. This sucks, but is slightly better than the crap we have now.
MrFrumpylane
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It really doesn't make sense to me why UT would pressure Pac10 to bring Tech into expansion deal. There is hardly a rivalry between them (at least from UT's perspective). Hell, UT thinks of A&M as their annoying stepchild brother and A&M feels the same way towards Tech.