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Progress? Improvement?

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Seems like a much harder sell to recruits...come get blown out every game for a terrible team, or come to Boulder and be part of this turnaround we are in the middle of. So Ws are very important, but the nature of the games is important too IMO.

That should be the case, but it doesn't appear that recruits are buying that message.
 
That should be the case, but it doesn't appear that recruits are buying that message.

No, and why would they? They don't need to. There are plenty of programs out there that "they could be a part of a turnaround" that are going to have winning records and are going to bowls. Basically, those programs are a lot further along in turning it around than we are and thus, are much more enticing. Hell, one of those options is now right up road north of Boulder. We are staring 2-10 in face again and frankly, I really don't like the schedule next year. The "winnable" games all seem to be on the road making things that much harder. CU's new reality is a giant sh#t sandwich and we're all gonna have to take a bite.
 
Yep. Progress has been made = we aren't losing by as much as before. Improvement, no = we still continue to lose and the wins we do have are a struggle or are absolutely worthless in the big picture of getting back to respectability.

To the outside world, 2-10 under MacIntyre is exactly the same as 2-10 under Embree. Improvement only counts in the W/L column. Any other measurement is worthless.
I guess that explains ESPN viewing them as the same. Wait, ESPN has talked about CU being much improved but unable to get over the hump. Improvement and progress are synonyms, so I find it odd that you are differentiating between the two.
 
Lou spittin holtz said we are going to be a power in the future.
 
Would like a link if you can find one. TO any sportscaster saying we gonna win. I like that. It's like a verbal security blanket.
 
Announcers saying we've improved feels nice despite the inherent statement that we are still not good. Like someone patting on a kid after striking out for the umpteenth time and saying, "Yeah, but your swing is really leveling out nicely."
 
Announcers saying we've improved feels nice despite the inherent statement that we are still not good. Like someone patting on a kid after striking out for the umpteenth time and saying, "Yeah, but your swing is really leveling out nicely."
It beats the hollow platitudes that filled the 2nd halves of curbstompings of years past. Like when announcers would say (with the score 70-14 and the other team clearly showing mercy) that we're just trying to put together a good drive or a good quarter to gain confidence as part of the rebuilding process.
 
The problem is we need to be getting 4-5* so we can turn this thing around more quickly. We are getting good kids, but these 2-3* guys really should be in the system for a couple years before seeing the field.

Right now we're depending on 2-3* kids to do what we need 4-5* to do. The only solution to this it seems to keep the guys believing, pushing and working until we field a team of mature 2-3* guys....that is the job of the coaches.

Can they do it?? Time will tell, but if their previous history is any indication, I think it will happen.
 
I rewatched the game on Football in 60 on PAC12, I left hopeful actually. Sure, we got gashed in the first half by Shaq, and gave the game away in 3rd quarter. I get tired of hearing the youth "excuse"...but if you tell the kids all week to tackle low and they don't, and they don't hold on the ball like they practice...how else can you explain it other than youth.

But...excluding these big plays, I thought we looked really good. The OL is good. Adkins is the man. The D was pretty solid. ST were pretty good.

So...if we can stop with the "youth" problems, I give us a 20% chance against AZ. Otherwise, it will be a USC-esque blow out I'm afraid.
 
Man, the DP article on attendance was a punch in the gut. I knew it had gotten bad, but not THIS bad. We've gone from the 45k to 50k range from '05 to '12 down to 37/38k the last two years. All of this despite huge growth in the population base. We need to start winning and start winning SOON!
 
Man, the DP article on attendance was a punch in the gut. I knew it had gotten bad, but not THIS bad. We've gone from the 45k to 50k range from '05 to '12 down to 37/38k the last two years. All of this despite huge growth in the population base. We need to start winning and start winning SOON!
Looking at the stands, I'm surprised it was that high.
 
I rewatched the game on Football in 60 on PAC12, I left hopeful actually. Sure, we got gashed in the first half by Shaq, and gave the game away in 3rd quarter. I get tired of hearing the youth "excuse"...but if you tell the kids all week to tackle low and they don't, and they don't hold on the ball like they practice...how else can you explain it other than youth.But...excluding these big plays, I thought we looked really good. The OL is good. Adkins is the man. The D was pretty solid. ST were pretty good.So...if we can stop with the "youth" problems, I give us a 20% chance against AZ. Otherwise, it will be a USC-esque blow out I'm afraid.
If you take away all our bad plays, we look pretty good.And ST were "pretty good"? Say what?
 
Man, the DP article on attendance was a punch in the gut. I knew it had gotten bad, but not THIS bad. We've gone from the 45k to 50k range from '05 to '12 down to 37/38k the last two years. All of this despite huge growth in the population base. We need to start winning and start winning SOON!
The current numbers are more reflective of the past 5 years than the 2011 number bexaua3 of the way Bohn gave away tickets
 
If you take away all our bad plays, we look pretty good.And ST were "pretty good"? Say what?
LOL. Yeah, I realize that's what I'm saying. But the big plays came, if you believe MM, because of youthful mistakes. My point is I didn't see them dominating either line of scrimmage, which is progress especially considering their DL is so good and our OL has historically been so bad. I saw us moving the ball effectively on a very good D...especially running the ball. Those things give me hope that we aren't outmanned.
 
We have not stopped the run all season, so I'm not buying it is just youthful mistakes. When you give up an average of 5.7 per carry, there are fundamental problems with the defense.
 
We have not stopped the run all season, so I'm not buying it is just youthful mistakes. When you give up an average of 5.7 per carry, there are fundamental problems with the defense.

The best public explanation for most of the large running plays has been lining up incorrectly and poor understanding of assignments. You could attribute that to youth, but I don't this far into the season. It is has to be coaching or leadership issue at this point. The youth excuse could go if our linebackers or safeties lacked starts or playing time. But, they all have a reasonable amount to understand how to read an offensive formation and line up appropriately.

That, and the D-line, while better than early in the season, still gets pushed around or starts off going the wrong direction about 1 out of 4 plays.
 
The best public explanation for most of the large running plays has been lining up incorrectly and poor understanding of assignments. You could attribute that to youth, but I don't this far into the season. It is has to be coaching or leadership issue at this point. The youth excuse could go if our linebackers or safeties lacked starts or playing time. But, they all have a reasonable amount to understand how to read an offensive formation and line up appropriately.

That, and the D-line, while better than early in the season, still gets pushed around or starts off going the wrong direction about 1 out of 4 plays.
We rank 105th in long rushing plays allowed.

http://www.cfbstats.com/2014/leader/national/team/defense/split01/category31/sort01.html
 
Man, the DP article on attendance was a punch in the gut. I knew it had gotten bad, but not THIS bad. We've gone from the 45k to 50k range from '05 to '12 down to 37/38k the last two years. All of this despite huge growth in the population base. We need to start winning and start winning SOON!

I do think that when we start to win the numbers will bounce back.

This year should be the low point. After the last couple of years you can't blame people for not buying tickets. Not only were we losing but games were not even competitive. In many cases the games were over before people got settled into their seats. Certainly not any kind of value for the time and money expended.

Fans this year haven't seen a lot of wins but at least the games have been entertaining. Anyone who has stuck with the team this long isn't likely to drop off after this season. We might even start to pick a few people back up.

To make advances though we do need to start having people see wins. Give them something to talk about around the coffee pot at work.
 
I'd be interested in seeing what our yards per carry allowed is sans the gashers. (Love that word, gashers. Hawk's only contribution to the fan experience.). So, let's say you remove all runs of 15 or 20 yards and higher, what is our YPC allowed? My point is, I think you can make a case for big runs being a case of a young player being out of position and the plays closer to the LOS being indicative of athleticism/ability. We can fix the "gashers", but if we are giving up 5 & 6 yard runs routinely, well, that is a bigger problem.
 
Too bad there isn't a stat I can find thst tracks yards per rush by area of field
 
Too bad there isn't a stat I can find thst tracks yards per rush by area of field
Get on that!

I'd bet, if there is such a stat, our yards allowed after initial contact is really high. We miss wrapping up a **** load of would be tackles, it seems like. To me, that boils down to technique, strength and athleticism and a lack thereof.
 
I'd be interested in seeing what our yards per carry allowed is sans the gashers. (Love that word, gashers. Hawk's only contribution to the fan experience.). So, let's say you remove all runs of 15 or 20 yards and higher, what is our YPC allowed? My point is, I think you can make a case for big runs being a case of a young player being out of position and the plays closer to the LOS being indicative of athleticism/ability. We can fix the "gashers", but if we are giving up 5 & 6 yard runs routinely, well, that is a bigger problem.
Could take some time, but will try.
 
I'd be interested in seeing what our yards per carry allowed is sans the gashers. (Love that word, gashers. Hawk's only contribution to the fan experience.). So, let's say you remove all runs of 15 or 20 yards and higher, what is our YPC allowed? My point is, I think you can make a case for big runs being a case of a young player being out of position and the plays closer to the LOS being indicative of athleticism/ability. We can fix the "gashers", but if we are giving up 5 & 6 yard runs routinely, well, that is a bigger problem.
I can't find total yards gained from plays over 10+ yards, but we have given up 101 big plays out of a total of 314 rushing plays. That's 32.2% of all rushes against us go for 10+ yards! OUCH!!!
 
I can't find total yards gained from plays over 10+ yards, but we have given up 101 big plays out of a total of 314 rushing plays. That's 32.2% of all rushes against us go for 10+ yards! OUCH!!!

That is brutal. We need some better LBs and DEs fast.

The young DEs we have could develop and do a better job of setting the edge against the run in the future but our LB situation scares me.
 
Man, the DP article on attendance was a punch in the gut. I knew it had gotten bad, but not THIS bad. We've gone from the 45k to 50k range from '05 to '12 down to 37/38k the last two years. All of this despite huge growth in the population base. We need to start winning and start winning SOON!

Population base typically isn't an indicator for how well college teams draw. Just look how poorly BCS teams in major metro areas like Miami, BC, and GT draw. On the contrary, look at how well programs in small and fairly remote towns like PSU, Clemson, Auburn, etc. draw.

Oddly enough, our attendance was up 11% thru week 5 from last year:
http://www.cbssports.com/collegefoo...0421/college-football-attendance-down-in-2014
 
Attendance figures are usually based on tickets sold. Interesting that ours would be up that much, especially since the AD is doing fewer low cost ticket promotions.

We won't get these but I wonder what the numbers are for actual tickets used. I know that in 2012 by the end of the season our announced numbers weren't terrible because of pre-sold tickets in season tickets and corporate packages but lots of those tickets went unused. Last year we had a lot of the same with lots of ticket holders not making getting to the stadium a priority.

My impression is that this season a higher percentage of sold tickets are getting used. Also more fans are getting to games earlier and staying longer instead of showing up late and leaving at half.
 
I can't find total yards gained from plays over 10+ yards, but we have given up 101 big plays out of a total of 314 rushing plays. That's 32.2% of all rushes against us go for 10+ yards! OUCH!!!

This makes me want to puke. Holy hell.

As to youth, I wonder if where it hurts us is at practice. We don't have depth in terms of P12 caliber guys, and all week they are matching up against each other. Been thinking that is a reason for our slow starts.


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It seems to me that our run defense is especially weak against the runs outside the ends. Especially to our D's right. That just seems to be what I recall and may not be fact. I think that is an indication that our LB's just don't have the speed to pursue those plays. I may be totally wrong on that.
 
Anyone notice that when Sefo is flushed, he usually seems, at least in the UCLA game, to be flushed to his right? When we are on the right hash and he's flushed to his right, it's a no hoper. The field is too compressed. Too much traffic. I wonder, like being susceptible to the sweep on D, if I'm just perceiving that or if it is true. I was thinking, then, why not run left on first down. Then if you have to pass on second, you have the ball on the left hash and you give Sefo more room to roam to his right.

Obviously, sounds great in theory, but.....
 
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