Discussion in 'Colorado Football Message Board' started by JimmyBuff, Nov 5, 2011.
Have to agree with you. If Joe Pa didn't know about this considering the number of years it was allegedly happening and as close as he worked with Sandusky then he has no business being in charge of a program like Penn States.
This kind of behavior is absolutely inexcusable and I hope that anyone who is shown to have any knowledge of it and didn't report gets penalized to the full extent of the law.
More from attorney general site
Seems like Joe Pa reported it to the AD but the AD kept him on. Maybe Joe Pa covered his tracks better.
I don't know what the law is in Pennsylvania and it also may be different for university level employees than for K-12 but Colorado law not only requires that I report any potential activity of this nature but also that I follow through to insure that it reaches the approapriate authorities at the child protective services level.
This is the first I have heard of this incident but from what you have posted I get a strong feeling that what is not being reported is a lot more than what is. This could and potentially should be the end of JoePa at PSU.
Sandusky retired after the 1999 season
The info you posted indicates that these incidents were happening prior to his retirement and after and that he had full access to PSU facilities and was frequently in and around the AD facilities.
Again I don't know Pennsylvania law but if these PSU officials are on mandatory report status it doesn't matter if Sandusky is retired or even affiliated with the university, the only question is if a real or potential risk to a child or children exist.
don't know. Also sandusky's son was at penn state (safety now Cleveland Browns head of personnel) playing during that time and graduated in 99. Lot of issues here.
This is terrible. It won't end well.
So this guy retired in 1999 when he was 55. That seems a bit strange for a guy who was a key assistant at a program like State Penn, er Penn State. Until you see the part about Penn State police investigating the 1998 allegations, not to mention the 1996 allegations. Basically, they fired his ass in 1999, but they covered it up and called it a retirement. Then it happens again in 2000. And again in 2002, when they get unlucky enough to have a grad assistant with a conscience walk in on him. So he goes to Paterno and tells him Sandusky likes to **** around with young boys. Paterno goes to Curley and they are shocked! SHOCKED!! to know Sandusky does this. Well, maybe just to know that he still does this. They tell him, essentially, to do it somewhere else. Which, apparently he does in 2005 (and maybe 2009? Can't quite tell if there was another assault then, or that's just when somebody came forward).
Now, maybe the school managed to investigate Sandusky and shuffle him off into "retirement" without Paterno ever knowing what was going on. Maybe nobody told him why his key assistant was retiring in the prime of his career. Nothing in the articles seems to say that Paterno ever lied about not knowing about Sandusky getting caught in the shower with the kid, which is what Curley and Schulz are being charged with. But there is no way around the fact that Paterno knew about Sandusky in 2002, and went along with not getting him charged. You have to believe he actually knew about it in 1999, and went along with covering it up, and allowing Sandusky basically full access to University facilities. And you have to wonder what he may have known before then. Because Curley and Schulz and Paterno allowed Sandusky to get away without being charged at least twice, he was able to assault more young men. If they can live with themselves knowing that, they are seriously ****ed up human beings. Which they are, to go along with this in the first place.
I'm sure the same media jackals that ruined Gary Barnett over things that occurred outside his watch will go just as hard after dear, sweet JoePa. Right? I'm sure they'll be just as outraged that he directly helped protect a child molester as they were that Barnett wasn't out at a Boulder apartment stopping his players from being drunk, horny and stupid. Right??
Well, maybe if JoePa insults a girl kicker?????
Where is a politically motivated bitch assistant DA when you need her. This would be a real case she could pursue and actually help something but it won't happen.
Most likely if they can't sweep it under the rug Joe Pa retires for "health reasons"
How the **** did that GA not beat the **** outta Sandusky and get that 10 year old the hell out of there that night?
Seriously, WTF. I'm glad he reported THE NEXT MORNING, rather than not at all, but holy crap that would wear on my conscience forever.
This is absolutely disgusting, but unfortunately not that uncommon in amateur athletics all over the world. Makes it even worse when the people at the top feel that they don't have to answer to the law about this crap.
Heads need to roll. Not reporting a sex crime against a child is disgusting. I feel like flying to Happy Valley and kicking some geriatric ass.
In Paterno's defense..... There is not much he can see past those glasses.......
maybe joepa was a nambla member?
This also was just one of the kids. There are 7 others too.
There is a huge difference here. This is so much worse than what happened at CU. When Barnett found out about the party, the kids involved were punished..... The 2 recruits were never allowed back at CU and student chaperones were disciplined.
This is a conscious effort to not turn in a friend for a terrible crime. This is extremely poor judgment by individuals who should exercise a higher standard of moral judgment because of their position in higher education.
All that was required in this case was a minimal level of moral judgment. Paterno and everyone involved is human garbage. **** him and **** that operation. I'm a PSU grad and I will never root for that program again.
You are a PSU grad?
I am sorry you had to overcome that.
We Are! Perv State!
The book needs to be thrown at everyone involved. Disgusting is all that comes to mind.
This story is just sickening and disheartening. Sad to see how important winning has caused some college programs to lose sight on what is important.
Could easily be the worst scandal in CFB history. JoePa's legacy is now permanently tarnished
How many children did he abuses after the shower incident was reported. That should have been the last one. If I were a parent and this happened to my child at any time but especially after he should have been stopped, I'd want heads to roll. Is there a statuate of limitations for a civil suit?
Good news, everyone... they have barred the guy from campus! Penn State is incredibly proactive on this stuff. You gotta be ****ting me.:rolling_eyes::rolling_eyes:
Only 13 years after they investigated the first incident. No need to be hasty about these things, I suppose.... :rolling_eyes:
It makes no sense to me why PSU was so reluctant to take any action against him the previous times they were confronted with the issue. Why not report him to the cops? Why not ban him from campus? Unless, of course, they were afraid it would come out that the most recognizable icon the school has had known about the issue for a long time and done nothing.... :huh:
Penn State and Paterno
I used to live in Pennsylvania and knew many Penn State grads. I don't think it is right to condemn the entire university just because of Paterno. This is confined to the athletic department. Let us not forget that there were many good years of excellent college football there and Paterno was clean compared to most big time programs. I do think his staying on at the school for, say, the last decade, two, three, was a big mistake. It appears he just wanted to cement his legacy as the greatest college football coach, at least in terms of wins. And in the end that will besmirch a great career. He is supposedly a fan of literature with an English degree from Brown, I think. He should go back and read King Lear!
Having the defended the school briefly, let me say that this is one of the worst scandals I have ever seen. This is MUCH worse than Barry letting guys have guns and drugs and women galore. This is CRIMINAL. And even though senility might be a deflection, Paterno is responsible in my book and needs to go. NOW!
Is it ok to condemn the University because of Paterno and the fact that Buffnik graduated from there? :smile2:
"Difference Makers: Life Lessons with Paterno & Krzyzewski," aired on ESPN and ESPNU on June 30. Ethics were discussed. Too bad they weren't practiced.
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