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BuffsRising

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The ****ers cost us shots at 2 national championships-we should have played for the title in 2001 (Yeah, Miami would have drubbed us probably but still) and in 1994 (I don't think you can argue that Colorado and ****braska weren't the two best teams in the sport that year and probably would have played twice had the BCS or CFP existed that year). That's what makes a rivalry. The only games that had that kind of excitement among this fanbase as NU did in the Pac 12 era were probably the last two in 2016 and the CCG that season. We need to be playing them four times a decade at least in my opinion.

Mtn-I don't think Iowa fans hate NU like we do. They've won the last three games against the ****ers by 70+ points. We're the only rival they've got right now.
They didn't cost us a chance at the title in 2001, we cost ourselves a shot when we **** the bed against Fresno state.

They cost us a chance at the title in 94, 95, and 96. But 94 is the one that hurts. That was the best team in school history.
 

Buffsrock85

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They didn't cost us a chance at the title in 2001, we cost ourselves a shot when we **** the bed against Fresno state.

They cost us a chance at the title in 94, 95, and 96. But 94 is the one that hurts. That was the best team in school history.
That Fresno State game is a game I will never forget. Horrid.
 

BerkeleyBuff

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Wrong. If you want Texas or Oklahoma, you've gotta take a little brother to go with them. Another thing that makes us more attractive to the B1G if they wanted to.
Not necessarily, despite the popular narrative. Ether way OU and UT are obviously waaaay higher on the B1G's list. In terms of "realistic" (discounting ACC) targets, I imagine we'd be in the B1G's top 5 candidates. But I really hope we never ever go to the B1G
 

BerkeleyBuff

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CU makes sense for three of the five power conferences. It’s nice to be in that position.
Even in the worst case scenario of PAC armageddon, it's difficult to imagine we would ever even remotely be in danger of not having a P5 home. That's a very good place to be indeed.
 

ahoelsken

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They didn't cost us a chance at the title in 2001, we cost ourselves a shot when we **** the bed against Fresno state.

They cost us a chance at the title in 94, 95, and 96. But 94 is the one that hurts. That was the best team in school history.
Wrong. We ended ****er football as they knew it, and they still went to the Rose Bowl ahead of us. You can talk about Fresno or the Texas loss (which was cancelled out by the win over them in the Big 12 title game) all you want-but seasons like 2001 are why we have the playoff now.
 

BerkeleyBuff

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There’s a lot more important things than money. I’m willing to have a little less money to not be in the B1G. Money hasn’t bought Indiana or Rutgers any real success.
Culturally we certainly fit in the PAC much better, and our alumni are clustered out here. And to your point, yes - at some point the bloated conferences like the SEC and B1G just statistically eliminate the odds of any individual team succeeding when only 1/14 or more can win the conference.
 

ahoelsken

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Not necessarily, despite the popular narrative. Ether way OU and UT are obviously waaaay higher on the B1G's list. In terms of "realistic" (discounting ACC) targets, I imagine we'd be in the B1G's top 5 candidates. But I really hope we never ever go to the B1G
If Texas leaves the Big 12, they're going indy. They're a big enough name to go off by themselves. No ACC team is an option for the Big 12 because they're all tied up via grant of rights into 2030. Oklahoma ain't going anywhere without little brother-I'd bet money on it. The one thing I've always hated about this league is ****braska not being in it/our absence of a rival the last decade, and its why I've been saying we need to be playing the Nubs as often as we possibly can in this setup. Look at the buildup to last year's game and it starting back up again for this year-they get this fanbase fired up like no other opponent can, and games with them force the local media to pay attention. If the Big 10 wanted us, I for one would want to go tomorrow-more money. better conference leadership, and the fact we've got an actual rival in that league make it make a lot of sense.

And for Berkeley-we're the same team who played a ****ing road game at UMass because RG's predecessor thought we had enough alumni in the Boston area for that to make sense. We have alumni everywhere.
 

ahoelsken

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There’s a lot more important things than money. I’m willing to have a little less money to not be in the B1G. Money hasn’t bought Indiana or Rutgers any real success.
Difference between us and Indiana and Rutgers-We've got a national championship, and neither of them do. We're also still one of the 30 winningest programs in the sport despite 15 years of stinkage. If we had a neg rep function on here, I'd use it on you for lumping us with those two.
 

BerkeleyBuff

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If Texas leaves the Big 12, they're going indy. They're a big enough name to go off by themselves. No ACC team is an option for the Big 12 because they're all tied up via grant of rights into 2030. Oklahoma ain't going anywhere without little brother-I'd bet money on it. The one thing I've always hated about this league is ****braska not being in it/our absence of a rival the last decade, and its why I've been saying we need to be playing the Nubs as often as we possibly can in this setup. Look at the buildup to last year's game and it starting back up again for this year-they get this fanbase fired up like no other opponent can, and games with them force the local media to pay attention. If the Big 10 wanted us, I for one would want to go tomorrow-more money. better conference leadership, and the fact we've got an actual rival in that league make it make a lot of sense.

And for Berkeley-we're the same team who played a ****ing road game at UMass because RG's predecessor thought we had enough alumni in the Boston area for that to make sense. We have alumni everywhere.
Oh I agree indy is what UT's first choice may be if the Big XII ever folds. OU I think could theoretically split from OSU, and many OU fans and donors are vocally supporting exploring the B1G or SEC, but who knows. Completely agreed on the lack of a rival. I'd love it if we scheduled Nebby every year OOC.
 

ahoelsken

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Oh I agree indy is what UT's first choice may be if the Big XII ever folds. OU I think could theoretically split from OSU, and many OU fans and donors are vocally supporting exploring the B1G or SEC, but who knows. Completely agreed on the lack of a rival. I'd love it if we scheduled Nebby every year OOC.
I'm expecting to hear four more games with them in May of 2020 at least.
 

BuffsRising

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Wrong. We ended ****er football as they knew it, and they still went to the Rose Bowl ahead of us. You can talk about Fresno or the Texas loss (which was cancelled out by the win over them in the Big 12 title game) all you want-but seasons like 2001 are why we have the playoff now.
They went to the rose bowl because we lost to fresno st at home, in a game we had no business losing. It also didnt help that we had let ourselves get routed at texas in October and then let texas back into the b12 championship game because of that stupid fake punt.
 

ahoelsken

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They went to the rose bowl because we lost to fresno st at home, in a game we had no business losing. It also didnt help that we had let ourselves get routed at texas in October and then let texas back into the b12 championship game because of that stupid fake punt.
You don't get into the playoff or a title game ahead of a team you lost to by 4 touchdowns. Sorry.
 

BuffsRising

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You don't get into the playoff or a title game ahead of a team you lost to by 4 touchdowns. Sorry.
Im not saying ****braska deserved to be in that rose bowl. ****braska being in that game was a joke. But ****braska didnt keep us from doing anything, we did, by losing two games earlier in the year, one if which was at home to a so-so fresno st team. We take care of business in that game and we’re in the rose bowl.
 

CarolinaBuff

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They didn't cost us a chance at the title in 2001, we cost ourselves a shot when we **** the bed against Fresno state.

They cost us a chance at the title in 94, 95, and 96. But 94 is the one that hurts. That was the best team in school history.
'99 was extrememly painful even though we didn't have as much on the line. Aldrich with the missed FG at the end of regulation. Ugh. I don't think I slept that night.
 

ahoelsken

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Im not saying ****braska deserved to be in that rose bowl. ****braska being in that game was a joke. But ****braska didnt keep us from doing anything, we did, by losing two games earlier in the year, one if which was at home to a so-so fresno st team. We take care of business in that game and we’re in the rose bowl.
So-so? That Fresno team was 11-3. They won here, then went to Corvallis and beat an Oregon State team that was ranked 10th in the country at the time, and then one-upped that by winning at Wisconsin. They were really, really good. I look at that season as one of the main arguments for a system like the CFP.
 

BerkeleyBuff

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So-so? That Fresno team was 11-3. They won here, then went to Corvallis and beat an Oregon State team that was ranked 10th in the country at the time, and then one-upped that by winning at Wisconsin. They were really, really good. I look at that season as one of the main arguments for a system like the CFP.
Both Oregon State and Wisconsin ended that year with only 5 wins apiece. Fresno was a solid team but let's not exagerrate what they were either. On a related note, kinda feel Fresno has a strong shot against USC this year.
 

ahoelsken

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Both Oregon State and Wisconsin ended that year with only 5 wins apiece. Fresno was a solid team but let's not exagerrate what they were either. On a related note, kinda feel Fresno has a strong shot against USC this year.
Oh I completely agree-and I think them dropping an opener like that would probably send their season off the tracks right off the bat.
 

Not Sure

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Not Sure is always speaking from his own selfish preferences, rather than what’s good business and best for the long term health of the program and AD.
Not always. Usually only when I’m expressing my personal opinion on a specific issue.
 

Buffnik

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Here are some western population statistics with the national rank for our geographic footprint:

Total Population
#1 California
#13 Washington
#14 Arizona
#21 Colorado
#27 Oregon
#30 Utah
#32 Nevada (recently passed Kansas, Mississippi and Arkansas; about to pass Iowa)
#36 New Mexico (bigger than ****braska and West Virginia)
#39 Idaho (still a bit smaller than West Virginia & would be smallest state with an FBS program; close to passing WV, NE and NM)


% Increase (2010-2018)
#1 Utah - 14.4%
#4 Colorado - 13.2%
#6 Nevada - 12.4%
#7 Arizona - 12.2%
#8 Washington - 12.1%
#9 Idaho - 11.9%
#11 Oregon - 9.4%
#19 California - 6.2%
#38 New Mexico - 1.8%

When I look at this, I see real value in adding Nevada and possibly Idaho to complete our footprint with a Pac-14.

I see the absolute most value with a Pac-16 that adds UNLV, Oklahoma, Texas and Texas Tech.

Texas: #2 population / #2 population growth rate
Oklahoma: #28 population / #23 population growth rate
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And if we couldn't get OU and UT, I'd be very much in favor of Boise State, New Mexico and San Diego State instead. (San Diego is the 17th largest metro in the US - I'd take them if we couldn't at least poach TTU from a Big 12 breakup. Also, TTU could make UNM superfluous and replace them with SDSU added.)
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That looks like a true regional conference that dominates the west to me. My strong preference is getting something into Texas. TTU is the clearest relationship due to it being the only TX FBS west of the I-35 corridor and it having been in a conference with UA, ASU and UNM from 1932-1956 (Border Conference) and with CU from 1996-2011 (Big 12). There's a cultural affiliation and a history there.

So I guess where I land is that while OU and UT are the ultimate prizes in the next round of realignment, I'd be very happy with a Pac-16 that added Boise State, UNLV, New Mexico/or SDSU and Texas Tech. On the surface that may not look exciting since it lacks big name programs that obviously move the needle. But I believe that it creates true regional excitement and makes a ton of sense.

And I wouldn't be opposed to expansion to 16 through a regional rivalry model the Pac-8 and Pac-10 were based upon: adding CSU and either BYU or Utah State for 14; TTU and UNM could make 16 -- or UNLV plus either Nevada or SDSU could also make 16.

https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_population
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_metropolitan_statistical_areas
 
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Buffnik

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P.S. -- if we go by academic research intensity and what our presidents & chancellors seem to value, the most likely 4 (assuming we can't get UT or OU) would be the Tier 1 research universities: CSU, UNM and TTU with UNLV being on the cusp of moving up and maybe getting it in 2020 when the next Carnegie evaluations are due to come out. I'm not sure that would be all that horrible, actually.
 
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