If you're counting the coulda', woulda', shoulda' games, we shoulda lost against Washington St. I'm sure their fans are counting it that way.
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Relationship between team level recruiting, coaching and Winning %
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If you're counting the coulda', woulda', shoulda' games, we shoulda lost against Washington St. I'm sure their fans are counting it that way.
Very possible, which is why I said 3-9. Lot of shoulda, woulda, coulda games but we had excellent chances to win three other games last year only to piss them away for a long list of reasons such as turnovers and bad coaching.
Why does everyone assume that there is one reason why we have been bad lately? We have had poor recruiting, poor coaching, and we have played in two tough conferences with for the most part tough non conference games. The relationship between all of those is a very low losing percentage. On the chart from the OP I bet we are the team right in the middle closest to the bottom. Are people interpreting the chart as to if you are above the trend line you have good coaching?
FlatironsBuff
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It is recruiting, it is coaching, it is lack of administrative support, it is a very fickle fan base, it is being in a state with lots of distractions including pro sports and the mountains, it is playing in a tough conference (i.e. regularly challenging strength of schedule), it is a series of injuries and attrition.
But in the end, better recruiting and better coaching would solve most of our problems.
But in the end, better recruiting and better coaching would solve most of our problems.
No but we shouldn't blow 75% of them in one season
And frankly CSU and Sac State shouldn't have been close. We should have beaten each of those soundly. I think that with any kind of decent coaching we beat CSU by 10-14 and Sac State should have been a game where our subs got to finish the game.
Exactly
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Our team was emotionally defeated the last two years. We gave away CSU, Sac St and I felt UA until the 4th, last year(our worst ever). That's 4-8, with terrible coaches and a deflated team. z
4-8 is no better than last year imo. I am willing to take baby steps, only because we have been so ****ing terrible. But this is not a success considering our ultimate goals.
Maybe I'm crazy, I'm usually a pessimist, but I have a good feeling about this staff.
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Our talent was good enough that with decent coaching Sac State would have never been in that game. Instead with our coaching we were the team that didn't believe we had a chance.
Yet if Brown could have figured out a defense to stop a slant pass we win that game. It looked at that point like the coaches had already lost the team.
I watched that game and came away thinking Sac St. actually had some decent offensive players. But that's just me.
CVilleBuff
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Yeah, we were just so clearly beaten in that one. Regardless who it is, that's one I have trouble putting in the "shoulda won" category. They straight beat us.
Sac State had some decent players. They had a few who were better than some of the guys we were playing. Overall though they were still an FCS team. Most of their players didn't have any business beating our guys play after play.
What they did have was a plan that they could execute and that they believed in. What we had was a staff and team that was unable or unwilling to make the simplest adjustments to stop them. It didn't take long into the game before it became a situation where they believed and we didn't.
This was the same reason why we got destroyed by Fresno. Fresno was a better team that Sac State but no way in the world should we have lost to Fresno by the marging we did. No way in the world they should be putting 70 points on the board against us but we were out of that game before it ever started.
Because their players were actually in position.
CVilleBuff
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55-7 at halftime. The sad part is 100 was within range. They could have done it had they chose to do so
Yep. Of course we will never know what would have happened last year with competent coaching, but better coaching would have better schemes, better game time adjustments and better coaching up of athletes, meaning a totally different team than last year. I don't think even Saban would have gotten more than 4-5 wins out of the team last year so I am not saying we'd have been in a bowl.
But I believe if we had a strong coach last year, 3-5 wins was certainly realistic and this year could have been entry into a bowl (i.e. 6 wins). I am not saying that is feasible this year (at least I highly doubt it), but despite less than top 25 talent, I believe a competent coach had he been installed last year along with his staff and his systems and training staff, etc. could have gotten us there this year, barely probably.
So, here is what I am prepared to say, if coaching matters as much as I think it does, and if HCMM is as good of a coach as I think he is, than he should get us to a crap bowl next year and this year see improvement across the board and at least 3 victories (with the roster we have which is an aggregate 60's or so).
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FlatironsBuff
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At this point, there is no such thing as a crap Bowl to CU fans. ANY bowl is awesome.
Lt.Col.FrankSlade
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It's a little early in the rebuilding process to expect a bowl. Especially with this schedule.
This year, would be an absolute miracle. But I believe we should expect that we are at least sniffing a bowl game next year, and going to a bowl game for sure by 2015.
Wait, you don't think Saban would have gotten us 4-5 wins last year, but if we had a strong coach then 3-5 wins was "certainly realistic"?
I believe that really good to great coaches would have gotten us between 3-5 (Saban, Meyer, closer to 5, and someone like HCMM 3-4).
You said not even Saban would have gotten us 4-5 wins with last years team - which is it?
CU's most talented team was recruited after national championship...
Our inability to make any defensive or offensive adjustment cost us that game, early before SacSt had sized us up it was looking like an easy win, then they adjusted, and out scored us what 30-14 or something?