Discussion in 'Colorado Football Message Board' started by KoyDetmer, Oct 12, 2013.
Yes, they will.
Also, **** you.
Everything is here for it to happen.
The single biggest obstacle comes from a failure of the administration to support the program. We haven't gotten the support needed to keep facilities up to standard and to make the needed staff changes when they needed to happen (See: Keeping Dan Hawkins then replacing him with Embree who had never been a coordinator much less a HC.) We are starting to see some grudging advancement but the story for the immediate next few years will be told when we find out who will be the Chancellor who eventually replaces the current one who is terrible, and not just for athletics.
Someday our fortunes will turn
Not likely at the moment.
Doubtful CU will be a perennial top team, especially in the pac12 where history shows there is a LOT of parity. At some point CU should be competing for Pac12 south titles on a fairly regular basis with a special team once every decade that has a shot. One or two pac12 titles a decade is realistic assuming we have everything in place; about 4 or 5 good shots at the pac12 south going into the last few weeks.
We have to be consistent in conference play before we become a national team. We need to reestablish Folsom as ours, and then start winning on the road at a decent clip.
Depends on the level of commitment and Rick George's ability to rally the donors. Unlike Duff, I believe it can turn fairly quickly. But opinions are like assholes and their are a bunch of 'em here. :smile2:
PS: A lot depends on what happens with the NCAA.
Besides Oregon is there a team highly ranked that is not in a recruiting hotbed?
Mac used to pull guys from the south. No one pulls guys from the south anymore. At least they won't until the sec goes through SWC type sanctions. Guys from the west are more likely to head south than vice versa.
Until I see a HUGE improvement in recruiting, I can't honestly believe we will be a consistent top 25 team. I know plenty will disagree with me.
Buffs hit bottom last season. They will be back, at least in terms of top 20. Three or four years away, something like that. You just can't get the players in place that quickly when you're coming from where we were.
Three or four years? Really? That means our freshmen and our incoming recruiting class will be leading the charge. There is just no way that happens. We aren't recruiting well enough and while MM looks to be competent--some of our offensive play calling sucks and ST is a disaster--he's not the second coming of Walsh (who sucked his second time at Stanford).
Just ask Udub how it's going. They have better admin and AD support, talent they can keep instate and are able to pull in way better recruits than those who will open a letter addressed to them from CU.
This is going to take a good 6 years to become a consistent 8 win team, unless we start scheduling like the bugeaters.
Maybe if the probation really kicks in for USC, and if Oregon and Washington get NCAA sanctions again - maybe then the Buffs will be able to move up.
Otherwise, it's a middle of the conference football program, at best.
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Oh the same UW who went 0-12 in 2008? Interesting
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I don't think that CU football will crack the top twenty-five even once for at least four or five years. Consistently ranked? Not in the intermediate future.
Oh, another meaningless post from Tini? Interesting.
Yup. The same UW who likes to keep Washington recruits and steal Colorado kids. The same UW who always tries to hire a top/flashy name from people not already working along the i25 corridor. The same Udub that just renovated everything besides stumbling over their own dicks trying to raise what probably amounts to double what CU can't raise. The saw Udub who steals assistant coaches from rival pac12 schools.
And we could probably go on. Oh and their academics are a lot better than ours too because their admin isn't pure **** and not focus on the flagship campus.
Depends on your definition of highly ranked and recruiting hotbed, I suppose, but I think Nebraska traditionally qualifies, although I think they need to temper their expectations going forward. Personally I think Wisconsin should be our aspirational level.
That would be a good model. It also took Alvarez and then bielma how long though to make up ground against michigan and Ohio state?
NU killed themselves going to the b1g. They can't recruit Texas at all and are far away from the b1g recruiting areas.
Not that long, actually. Alvarez went 1-10 his 1st year, then 5-6 twice and then 10-1-1 and won the Rose Bowl. Obviously a different era, but I think it's important to create an identifiable program image and then recruit to that image. When you think of Wisconsin Football, I think most people have the same image in their head. Same for Wisconsin Basketball, actually. I'd prefer a different image, ideally, but you know what you're getting.
Wow, that was over 23 years ago that they hired Alvarez.
Interestingly enough, UW fans were having the same conversation during their 0-fer year that we are having regarding the Administration not supporting athletics. Things obviously changed.
If CU administration can pull their heads out of their asses, maybe we could actually do something as well. If not, then I also see middle of the road pac team.
UDub has smarter, more passionate leadership.
CU will be middling at best until the key leadership can speak passionately about the football program.
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It's not something I'm exactly counting on. If CU can have teams that consistently go bowling with 6-8 wins, and occasionally are ranked.. I'll be happy
well, guys for what it's worth, I would guide the program back to prominence if hired as HC.
Any chance you guys could convince Kliff Kingsbury to come to Boulder? I like that kid...hell, I like him A LOT! He is going to be a star.
We're not remotely interested in hiring a new head coach. We have the right guy. You don't take a 1-11 team to the top 25 in 1 season. Patience.
No just that college football goes through cycles and teams rise and fall all the time. I am in no way saying we will be where UW is right now in five years (although I guess there's a slim chance).
Cycles. That's all I was talking about with that post.
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No. We can clearly get better, as we have nowhere to go but up. However, I fear we do not have the commitment or desire from the school to do what it takes to be a power again. I fear all they want is just good enough to not be a nuisance.
Hard to say what we can be long term. It's going to take us awhile but we can get out of this hole. UW didn't start talking about being a player on the national stage after their 0-12 season. They merely wanted to bring in a new staff and a breath of fresh air and start winning again. They achieved that based on a few integral pieces:
1. Coaches that can evaluate, recruit and develop talent.
2. Supportive AD/Admin from host university.
3. Financial backing.
There are legitimate questions on to whether CU have any of these three, let alone all of them. Over the past 8 yrs during our slide into our moribund state, we definitely did not. I think Mac is a step in the right direction but i'm a homer and want to believe in every guy we've hired. It will be awhile until we actually know. He seems like a guy that can weather this storm and has a handle on the big things and little things that go into turning this around. I'm starting to feel better about his ability to evaluate and find talent as a few of his recruits have been studs thus far. Adding George was a step in the right direction IMO. Good pedigree, successful. It is yet to be determined if he can get his nitwit superiors to hold true to what they are trying to sell us. The admin's denial of forgiving the AD's debt still has me VERY concerned on this front. That could have gone a long way to helping us get on more solid ground and they didn't bat an eye denying it just a few months after promising all these commitments to football. With that being said, I don't believe George will hit the late 2013 deadline most were pointing at in regards to fund raising. The uninspiring effort the past 3 games in Pac 12 play will not help either.
CU needs to pray for a few miracles. Another key component to UW turning it around is cupboard was not bare. They had a Jake Locker type player who could get away with being Jekyll & Hyde in some games because when he was on, he could single handedly beat teams with his passing and throwing, as he did against Pete Carroll's unbeaten top ranked SC Trojans in Washington. That hallmark win really got recruits to take notice and built some credibility in the program. Stanford under Harbaugh had a similar game, where they beat SC on a last second throw to really rally the program, fans, and flagging support. The process moved much faster after that.
Connor Wood is not the guy who will get this program moving in the right direction under center. We need to hope like hell that Sefo is otherwise it's going to make carrying this load forward that much more difficult. We need to stop getting smoked in these conference games because as long as that is going on, it's going to make it more difficult for Pac 12 recruits to buy into signing up to get their ass kicked 9 conference games a year at CU like we've been doing in our first 3 seasons of league play.
I think that pretty much nails it. We can be the Iowa State of the Pac12. Bowl eligible occasionally. Sporadic upsets. Occasional "great" years of 8-9 wins. That's our ceiling IMO. Our alumni simply don't care enough in large numbers to donate the requisite money to keep up facilities wise. I went to CU in the glory years of the early 90s and even then most of the hippies I hung around couldn't care less about the football team. That's why we dominate in skiing and cross-country, that's Boulder culture. Not football. If CU was 30 minutes further from Denver, we'd draw maybe 25k average. And of course the administration does us no favors.
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