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Sir Larry Scott.. (P12 considering buying out Larry Scott)

TSchekler said:
This wouldn't be the Pac 12 throwing the Big 12 a bone. If anything, it's the other way around. The Pac 12 is in the worst position of any P5 conference as things stand today, and the thought of the Big 12 dissolving is a thing of the past and not looking likely anymore. If the Pac 12 can't find that $500m investor and then figure out a game changing media rights deal in a few years, I think there should be serious concern about the premier members looking to get out and join other conferences. Strategically aligning with another, more stable conference and working out the new media deals with whatever that conglomerate looks like would be wise for Scott and the Pac 12 Presidents to seriously consider.
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PAC Presidents would never move their Universities to a truck stop conference like the Big 12 over a few million dollars. The Big 12's TV deal is less per school than the PACs. But they divide all other income (NCAA, Playoff money, bowl money) by 10 while managing expenses much better. So their distribution is higher. But don't believe the Big 12 Tier 3 payout hype. Aside from Texas - the next closest school is Oklahoma and at best they're making 4 million a year. The conference, media, etc. have been complicit in fudging their Tier 3 revenue from jump. I don't know if it's willful or lazyness on the media's part. Wilner would never let KSU fans think they're making 5 million a year off their Tier 3 media rights.

Ha, didn't mean to rant like that. Bottom line - SC might bitch and whine, but they aren't leaving the PAC (especially Cal, Stanford and fUCLA) for West Virginia, Kansas State, Lite, etc.
 
SD Buff said:
PAC Presidents would never move their Universities to a truck stop conference like the Big 12 over a few million dollars. The Big 12's TV deal is less per school than the PACs. But they divide all other income (NCAA, Playoff money, bowl money) by 10 while managing expenses much better. So their distribution is higher. But don't believe the Big 12 Tier 3 payout hype. Aside from Texas - the next closest school is Oklahoma and at best they're making 4 million a year. The conference, media, etc. have been complicit in fudging their Tier 3 revenue from jump. I don't know if it's willful or lazyness on the media's part. Wilner would never let KSU fans think they're making 5 million a year off their Tier 3 media rights.

Ha, didn't mean to rant like that. Bottom line - SC might bitch and whine, but they aren't leaving the PAC (especially Cal, Stanford and fUCLA) for West Virginia, Kansas State, Lite, etc.
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The Big XII schools earn more from tier 1&2 than the PAC does from all 3 tiers.
 
BerkeleyBuff said:
The Big XII schools earn more from tier 1&2 than the PAC does from all 3 tiers.
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No, they don't.

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Again - their distribution is higher because they are dividing all other income by 10 instead of 12 or 14 + controlling expenses. And I touched on the absurdity of the reported T3 income from Big 12 schools - it's a bunch of BS and propaganda for everyone not Texas.
 
SD Buff said:
No, they don't.

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Again - their distribution is higher because they are dividing all other income by 10 instead of 12 or 14 + controlling expenses. And I touched on the absurdity of the reported T3 income from Big 12 schools - it's a bunch of BS and propaganda for everyone not Texas.
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I think you’re misunderstanding. Of course the Big XII is at an advantage with their fewer mouths to feed. I didn’t say the conference earns more, I said the schools earn more. The raw number earned by a conference doesn’t matter - the per school distribution of that earning does. And in that sense, the Big XII is kicking our ass (as is nearly everyone else).
 
BerkeleyBuff said:
I think you’re misunderstanding. Of course the Big XII is at an advantage with their fewer mouths to feed. I didn’t say the conference earns more, I said the schools earn more. The raw number earned by a conference doesn’t matter - the per school distribution of that earning does. And in that sense, the Big XII is kicking our ass (as is nearly everyone else).
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What SD is pointing out is that they aren't earning more per school. They get about $1M less per year per school. Tier 3 is what they claim to make it look like they get more, but that's averaging over 10 schools with the money that UT gets from LHN put into that. For pretty much everyone else, T3 is absolute chump change.
 
BerkeleyBuff said:
I think you’re misunderstanding. Of course the Big XII is at an advantage with their fewer mouths to feed. I didn’t say the conference earns more, I said the schools earn more. The raw number earned by a conference doesn’t matter - the per school distribution of that earning does. And in that sense, the Big XII is kicking our ass (as is nearly everyone else).
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Was responding to your comment "The Big XII schools earn more from tier 1&2 than the PAC does from all 3 tiers."

The screen shot I posted wasn't showing up on my phone - so in case you didn't see it.

Tier 1/2 ESPN/Fox contracts

BIG 12
First- and second-tier rights: $2.6 billion, ESPN/FOX, 13 years through 2024-25
Per-year average: $200 million
Per-school, per-year average: $20 million

PAC-12
First- and second-tier rights: $3 billion, ESPN/FOX, 12 years through 2023-24
Per-year average: $250 million
Per-school, per-year average: $20.8 million
 
SD Buff said:
Was responding to your comment "The Big XII schools earn more from tier 1&2 than the PAC does from all 3 tiers."

The screen shot I posted wasn't showing up on my phone - so in case you didn't see it.

Tier 1/2 ESPN/Fox contracts

BIG 12
First- and second-tier rights: $2.6 billion, ESPN/FOX, 13 years through 2024-25
Per-year average: $200 million
Per-school, per-year average: $20 million

PAC-12
First- and second-tier rights: $3 billion, ESPN/FOX, 12 years through 2023-24
Per-year average: $250 million
Per-school, per-year average: $20.8 million
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It’s looks like you’re just taking the average contract number and dividing by number of schools, which doesn’t work. As I think even you mentioned earlier, the PAC offices take a much larger cut than those of other conferences (a full share, if I’m not mistaken). So again, I stand by the claim the actual tv money received by the member schools is higher in the Big XII. I’m also not sure if you’re accounting for the contracts the Big XII gets with the Sugar Bowl on the years that the Sugar isn’t a playoff site, and whatever it is the PAC gets with the Rose.
 
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if you like, I’ll extend an olive branch this way: when accounting for all TV, bowl deals, and the like, the Big XII schools earn more, without including tier 3, than the PAC does even when including it. From Forbes:

“According to Wilner’s projections for 2018, distributions of more than $50 million would give the Big Ten a sizable revenue advantage over schools from the SEC (approximately $43 million each), the Big 12 ($36.5 million), the Pac-12 ($32 million) and the ACC ($28 million).“
 
BerkeleyBuff said:
if you like, I’ll extend an olive branch this way: when accounting for all TV, bowl deals, and the like, the Big XII schools earn more, without including tier 3, than the PAC does even when including it. From Forbes:

“According to Wilner’s projections for 2018, distributions of more than $50 million would give the Big Ten a sizable revenue advantage over schools from the SEC (approximately $43 million each), the Big 12 ($36.5 million), the Pac-12 ($32 million) and the ACC ($28 million).“
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Think the disconnect is either semantics or you don't understand what you said in the post I responded to.

The Big XII schools earn more from tier 1&2 than the PAC does from all 3 tiers.

Tier 1&2 are the ESPN/FOX TV Contracts. Those contracts are above and show how much (average-escalators) each school receives per year from ESPN/FOX for the Tier 1&2 media rights.

That media rights revenue is only on part of the overall Conference distribution - and you are correct the Big 12 pays more per school even without their Tier 3 rights which each school earns anywhere from less than a million all the way up to UT. The rest the distribution comes from Playoff money, Bowl Money (Sugar), NCAA money (MBB), etc. The Big 12 gets the same share for playoff, bowl, etc. as the rest the P5, but they are only dividing by 10 - which increases the conference distribution.

So if you meant Tier 1&2 media rights - that was inaccurate and hopefully explained. If you were just saying the Big 12 has a higher distribution even without the Tier 3 - you were correct from jump.
 
SD Buff said:
Think the disconnect is either semantics or you don't understand what you said in the post I responded to.

The Big XII schools earn more from tier 1&2 than the PAC does from all 3 tiers.

Tier 1&2 are the ESPN/FOX TV Contracts. Those contracts are above and show how much (average-escalators) each school receives per year from ESPN/FOX for the Tier 1&2 media rights.

That media rights revenue is only on part of the overall Conference distribution - and you are correct the Big 12 pays more per school even without their Tier 3 rights which each school earns anywhere from less than a million all the way up to UT. The rest the distribution comes from Playoff money, Bowl Money (Sugar), NCAA money (MBB), etc. The Big 12 gets the same share for playoff, bowl, etc. as the rest the P5, but they are only dividing by 10 - which increases the conference distribution.

So if you meant Tier 1&2 media rights - that was inaccurate and hopefully explained. If you were just saying the Big 12 has a higher distribution even without the Tier 3 - you were correct from jump.
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I completely understand your point. However I trust you understand one of mine above, that you didn’t do your math correctly. You divided the PAC media contracts by 12 when you should be dividing by 13 to see what each school is actually getting. I forget what the Big XII office takes but I know it’s less than a full share.

All that said, none of this really matters. We both know the issue is we don’t make nearly enough money to stay competitive with the other P5 conferences (maybe the ACC, but some recent projections are looking much more favorable for their network than first expected).
 
BerkeleyBuff said:
I completely understand your point. However I trust you understand one of mine above, that you didn’t do your math correctly. You divided the PAC media contracts by 12 when you should be dividing by 13 to see what each school is actually getting. I forget what the Big XII office takes but I know it’s less than a full share.

All that said, none of this really matters. We both know the issue is we don’t make nearly enough money to stay competitive with the other P5 conferences (maybe the ACC, but some recent projections are looking much more favorable for their network than first expected).
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I was told there would be no math. Why are we expected to "do math" when the conferences don't themselves? The Big 10 has 14 teams, the Big 12 has 10 teams, and the Pac 12 has no competent teams.
 
Buffs35 said:
Dude can't really be this tone deaf. Starting to wonder if he is trying to get fired. I'm sure he has a nice buy out.
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Buffnik said:
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I'm sure he's selling it as necessary to entertain the TV swells . . .
 
Buffnik said:
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Buffarino said:
This guy is a piece of ****. The Chancellors are so checked out they don't seem to care what he does, which is unbelievable. Although maybe it's entirely believable if the rest of them are as terrible as DiStefano.
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WAAAAIT - Are you saying that our main man, Chancellor DiStephano, isn't doing his job?

I find that hard to believe.
 
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