Discussion in 'Colorado Football Message Board' started by RalphieMalph, Jun 9, 2008.
Sounds like he should be wearing the t-shirt a friend saw someone wearing the other day.
"laser sights-- helping criminals make informed decisions every day".
Nice to see that Stoops thinks that someone who carries a gun illegally to school will be a 'positive influence on campus'.:lol:
Guns Don't Kill People... football players with guns kill people... eh lame
"He was expelled from school, but completed his high school degree online."
what a ****ing joke. Way to go OU !
I don't quite take such a hard stand. Though I do believe that character should be a consideration while recruiting young athletes, I also believe that scholarships provide a fantastic opportunity during a period of life where young people make some of their most important decisions.
This kid may just be a thug, but maybe college sports can turn his life. Of course there may be better places than OU for that to take place.
Okay on second chances, but where is the accountability? Even if he were suspended for a season, he could use his redshirt season (ala Katoa - hopefully). Why not let him know that such behavior will not be tolerated?
OU and Bob Stoops had the chance to make a statement to their players and to the rest of the college football world - and they did.
You, sir, are right on the money. :thumbsup:
one problem, this incident happened at his high school where he still attending high school, not in Norman at the university. He hadn't enrolled as a student at the university and wasn't attending football releated activities for the university at the time this incident occured. All Stoops has done was still honor the university's commitment to the young and his scholarship offer. The school is still taking a chance on him as a student and player.
Well, all you have to do is look at how Utah handled the Kaufusi situation to know that it doesn't really matter where he is at the time. Utah dropped Kaufusi like a rock. This doesn't paint OU in a very positive light, I'm afraid. All scholarship offers are contingent upon the athlete abiding by certain standards of conduct.
AWESOME buff brothers! So what you are saying is that there should be two standards: one that we use for ourselves when our kids run afoul of the law, and another for everyone else. With the latter being held to a stronger moral compass. I applaud your ability to engage in situational ethics. :woot:
After all, it is FAR worse to pack heat and do absolutely nothing with it (except get caught) than to allegedly tresspass with a rock in hand. Or to smash someone else's face to a needed reconstruction. Right? Toting a gun is intrinsically FAR more violent.
For some on this thread, I am unsuprised by a hypocritical pansy-assed response. Others, I am flat ashamed of.
Um, he still plead guilty to a gun charge.
Translation: We lost our top WR to the NFL and this kid can help us win football games. We told him that we will give him a cushy job and have tutors do his homework while at Oklahoma, so he can concentrate on just football. The next time he gets in trouble at OU, we will do our best to sweep it under the rug or contend we had no idea how much he was getting paid by the local car dealer. BOOMER SOONER!!!
Yes but he did sign his letter of intent. Once you sign your letter you are a member of your football team and whatever you do is a reflection of it. The argument that its ok because he is not in school or played for OU is not a good one. Just another kid who is on the fast track of blowing a promising career and a once in a life time opportunity.
Hey cool. We are gonna live in a glass house, are we?
Lighten up, it's a joke.
I don't compare this to the Katoa situation. I compare it to the Kaufusi situation in Utah. As UBT points out, the kid wasn't enrolled at OU at the time. Similarly, Kaufusi wasn't at Utah at the time when something similar (albeit probably more severe, but he wasn't charged with a crime) happened. Utah chose to rescind it's scholarship offer. OU, when faced with a similar dilema, chose to honor it's offer.
The CU situation with Katoa is quite different, so claiming situational ethics is inappropriate. Katoa was already here, already on scholarship, and had to go through the judicial system and then deal with the University disciplinary process. At the end of the day, Katoa was suspended for what amounts to a year. If anything, Katoa got a much stiffer penalty.
OU is free to conduct its affairs the way it sees fit. I don't think thier decision in this matter reflects positively on the University. For the kids sake, I hope he gets his stuff together and becomes a contributing member of the campus. That would be best for everybody involved. The perception, though, is that OU is willing to overlook these kinds of indiscretions so long as the kid can perform on the football field. That's going to be a hard reputation to shed.
Rep, well said Sacky.
There's nothing on this link that suggests to me that the program can't bench a kid for off-field behavior, regardless of where or when.
I think (maybe?) Dorn is a high school coach who's put kids in D1 programs. I wonder if he's seen a college coach punish a student for a violation that occurred prior to enrollment?
I'm a little confused on your point here, Ladyblaise. It's my impression that most Buff fans felt that our wayward players should be punished for running afoul of the law. There was a period of waiting, in which we all wanted to find out what really happened (which continues in the case of Geer), but ultimately, when the gavel hit the desk most Buffs wanted two things (in my observation):
2. Opportunity for redemption
The Judicial Affairs committe ensured, in the case of Lynn Katoa, that both milestones were met. I didn't hear any belly-achin'.
The posts I see above, simply suggest that different criteria for OU's policy makers reflects poorly on the university (though in my opinion, not as poorly as a letter from a University President to the NCAA protesting the final score of the Oregon game).
It should be noted that it was OU's plan to rescind their scholarship offer when he was charged with felony violations. They decided to let him in when his charged were changed to misdemeanors.
Personally, I don't have a problem with what OU did. As has been said- the offenses occured before the young man enrolled at OU or started attending classes at OU or anything. Besides, they let Adrian Pederson and Rhett Bomar get away with much worse while they were actually on the team.
Therein lies the rub. OU isn't exactly holding itself up as a bastion of high moral values. As I said earlier, Utah didn't care if Kaufusi was enrolled at the school or not. They made the decision that he wasn't somebody they wanted at their school. OU, when faced with a similar situation, came to the opposite conclusion. If the school is going to make these kinds of decisions, then it has no moral ground to stand on when refered to as "Thug U" or something similar. It's their bed, they need to sleep in it.
I like Outlaw U better :smile2:
By 'campus', Stoops means 'football field', and by 'positive influence', he means 'guy can score a lot of points for us'. You just gotta know the lingo...:wink2:
well then Sacky, it you want to hold OU to such high standards, such as Utah, then may I ask the question why are Sipilli, Geer, Katoa still members and of the CU football team? Also, the case with the OU recruit happened in March and he has already accepted responsibility and full accountability by pleading guilty in the later part of May. Can you say the same with CU players that have ran afoul of the law in the past 3-4 months?
I don't think most folks are calling for him to lose a scholie...just for a little accountability. Kinda like Sipili, Katoa and we'll see in the case of Geer.
Like the one who got kicked off the team? Or the two who are probably out for a year?
If Katoas felonies does not get reduced to misdemeanors, he is off the team. However, NO MATTER WHAT, he is going to be punished for at least a year....
The OU guy is getting off scot free.
And can't a school rescind your spot in the class (even for non-sport related students) if you get arrested and convicted for a serious crime?
This is really what it boils down to IMO. I have no problem with Oklahoma giving him a second chance, but at least punish him in some way. Suspend him for the the non-conference schedule, force him to redshirt, do something.
Sipili had to sit out a year. Kotoa will have to do the same. Geer is probably headed for the same fate. Duren was kicked off the team. Just because the law lets you go, doesn't mean a coach shouldn't have his own separate punishment.
As evidenced by what, sacky? Unless you have inside information on what is going on in Norman right now, all you have to base your position on are assumptions. How do you KNOW that "nothing" will happen to this kid, discipline-wise? Did you call Bob and talk to him about it? All that has been established within this forum is that his scholarship will be honored. Personally, I feel it mighty precipitous to start flapping about what is or is not happening to the kid regarding the situation.
Are we Utahesque? Do we pull scholarships from all Buff players who face with a misdemeanor? Clearly we do not - and that reflects on us, as well. If you are quick to take such a hard stand towards another program, you had best be prepared to take it with your own.
to put it bluntly, how the **** makes you so sure that this will not happen? as i asked sacky, did you call Bob about it?
Sipili didn't play last year. Katoa and Geer won't play this year. What year of play will the Sooner recruit miss after he "accepted responsibility and full accountability"?? So, I guess the answer is no, we can't say the same for the CU players who ran afoul of the law recently. We can say much MORE for how they have been punished.
I really don't understand why you and your wife are having such a hard time with this concept... :huh:
damn I didnt know JaJuan Iglesis was drafted last year, OU's leading receiver. How did that slip by me? :wink2:
and in the same breath I can mention Dizon being gone and CU being inexperienced at LB so Hawk is letting Sipilli back on the team, right?
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