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UofO/Salazar

rodrigo

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Not sure the proper context, but as a former Duck athlete (who ultimately earned his degree at CU) I just want to vent my 2 cents. The U of O sold its soul, a long time ago, to the almighty Phil Knight/Nike Industrial Complex. There will be folks who say this is just about Salazar, just about T&F. But the corporatization of the U of O athletic department began and ended back in the early 1980s, with the results clearly apparent for anyone to see. This is everything that is wrong college/amateur sports and so much more in society today: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/14/sports/olympics/alberto-salazar-nike.html?action=click&module=News&pgtype=Homepage


Sorry. Not sorry.
 

Highlander

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Not sure the proper context, but as a former Duck athlete (who ultimately earned his degree at CU) I just want to vent my 2 cents. The U of O sold its soul, a long time ago, to the almighty Phil Knight/Nike Industrial Complex. There will be folks who say this is just about Salazar, just about T&F. But the corporatization of the U of O athletic department began and ended back in the early 1980s, with the results clearly apparent for anyone to see. This is everything that is wrong college/amateur sports and so much more in society today: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/14/sports/olympics/alberto-salazar-nike.html?action=click&module=News&pgtype=Homepage


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It is behind a pay wall, but the opening segment is enough to wince. Ouch.
 

MtnBuff

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Not sure the proper context, but as a former Duck athlete (who ultimately earned his degree at CU) I just want to vent my 2 cents. The U of O sold its soul, a long time ago, to the almighty Phil Knight/Nike Industrial Complex. There will be folks who say this is just about Salazar, just about T&F. But the corporatization of the U of O athletic department began and ended back in the early 1980s, with the results clearly apparent for anyone to see. This is everything that is wrong college/amateur sports and so much more in society today: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/14/sports/olympics/alberto-salazar-nike.html?action=click&module=News&pgtype=Homepage


Sorry. Not sorry.
Very interesting. Scary how much power some of these coaches have in some of these sports, and the system supports them.

Thanks for posting.
 

buffgal

Club Member
Club Member
Listened to the podcast.

Kara Goucher is a brave woman. So is Mary Cain.

I've now read the Mary Cain article and this one.

How many women has coach done this to? Hopefully they will be willing to talk now that others have come forward.

The Gouchers have paid a huge price for coming forward on this and doping.
 

MtnBuff

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Listened to the podcast.

Kara Goucher is a brave woman. So is Mary Cain.

I've now read the Mary Cain article and this one.

How many women has coach done this to? Hopefully they will be willing to talk now that others have come forward.

The Gouchers have paid a huge price for coming forward on this and doping.
These women are brave and doing important work in bringing this out.

I have to wonder though how many more of these are we not hearing about.

We have women starting as young girls in these individual sports where individual coaches or administrators have complete control over their dreams. The results are things like Salazar, Nasser, Karolyi, etc.

To start with I have a problem with the system in general that takes normal lives away from bunches of athletes just to produce a very few elite stars but it is also a system that is primed for abuse beyond just that required to participate in the sport.

I can see this stuff happening in T&F and Gymnastics but also in swimming, figure skating, skiing, and many more.

How does the overall culture get changed to where it is easier and more likely to report and deal with this stuff.
 

Bmixer

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I had a gig at a Anti Doping conference in Co Springs a month back and they talked about whistle blowers and how tough it is. It is all about money. The same reason the Diamond League took out steeplechase and other events is the same reason doping exists. bigger, stronger and faster bring in more money and there were people who believe the only reason Russia is still allowed to compete in the Olympics is because the IOC knows they will leave a lot of money on the table if Russia does not compete. The NOP and Salazzar is the same thing. People like the gold metals and do not care about the story behind them. There is a netflix doc called Icarus that deals with the Russian doping in front of the Sochi winter Olympics. The director spoke at the anti doping thing I worked.
 

buffgal

Club Member
Club Member
As @MtnBuff states, this behavior and abuse has been going on for a very, very long time.

What I'm reading seems similar to the way the Soviets trained their athletes when it was still the Soviet Union and the way athletes in China are trained.

Allegations of abuse led to the closing of Bela Karolyi's ranch. The US Olympic team trained there. It was 70 miles from Houston and the young gymnasts were isolated. I can't imagine sending my child off to one of these intense training camps. I think parents get caught up in wanting the gold medal.

The Olympic performances look so easy, but that is because of all the training. Watching the gold medal ceremony for a sport, made me wish I could ice skate after Dorothy Hamil won a gold medal in the Olympics.

Yes, I am aging myself. That was while I was in grad school at CU and I signed up for ice skating lessons. Way too old to have ever been a star but I did take ice skating lessons after watching on a black and white television.
 

rodrigo

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All of this has to make you appreciate the man, the myth, the legend Mark Wetmore and his successful tenure at CU even more. Guy has a legacy that goes far beyond all the championships and trophies.
 

Bmixer

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All of this has to make you appreciate the man, the myth, the legend Mark Wetmore and his successful tenure at CU even more. Guy has a legacy that goes far beyond all the championships and trophies.
you are right. I think it is very interesting that his former runners are so loyal to him and the program even if they use him a professional coach.
 

AztecBuff

Club Member
Club Member
Buff interviewing Buff with Kara Goucher interviewing Emma Coburn for her Clean Sport podcast, during which it sounds like at least part of the discussion is "how she mentally faces a unlevel playing field" (from suspected doping by some athletes).

(As was noted in the articles, even before these latest allegations about abuse towards some of his athletes, Mr. Salazar was already within the last 2 months suspended for 4 years (appeal pending) due to findings re his doping history.)

 
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