Discussion in 'Colorado Football Message Board' started by lvbuff, Nov 3, 2014.
This is always a question of mine. Also want to see how he does at Oregon next year without Chip Kelly's players.
Hawkins did not allow him to run the offense that he wanted to run.
This is not true. He got to run it that one series in 2007.
Pound it? Launch it? Work on the little things?
God Hawkins was a joke. Why go the trouble of getting a great OC like MH and then tie his hands. Ugh.
U forgot bring the funk.
When you have the best QB son of a coach in all of college football the OC needs to change his system to fit the player. duh
Are we talking about that amazing "Stats for Cody" offense that Hawk tried to run.
how do you know this?
and your lunch pail
Dude went to the same high school as Steve Prefontaine
Yup. Duck alums amongst my in laws no likey.
Or find a new job.
I don't have fond memories of MH. Blame it on Hawk, MH or whoever, but we sucked while he was here. He can take some of the blame as far as I'm concerned.
Open secret around the program.
And the more skeptical Hawk-haters among us believe that Dan blackballed Helf's offense because it suited Ballenger and Hansen better than it did Cody.
helfrichs "o" def would have worked in hansons favor
Zimmer asked helfrich this question a couple seasons back right before we played Oregon. "Why didn't we see this offense at Colorado?" Helfrich smiled and gave a vague non-committal answer. Afterwards, Zimmer speculated on air that the difference was athletes recruited to a scheme.
Oregon has a long term plan, with a consistent scheme. They have all the support in the world. They get guys who are great athletes and who fit what they are trying to do.
We have had some catching up to do. We have a plan now. We have a staff that has a scheme they want to run and they seek players to fit it. We have improved some important support aspects and are upgrading facilities. What we aren't doing is getting enough raw material great athletes in.
Scheme can take you a ways but it can't take you all the way, especially in the p5 in the current era.
Completely agree.....need raw talent, and our current recruiting is nowhere close to making it happen.
Helfrich sucks and is in way over his head at Oregon. They need to quickly bring in a real coach if they want to keep their status as a top football school. The slippage is already evident.
I have had similar musings. Doesn't seem like the Ducks have the swagger and execution they have had in recent years. Disappointed to hear that MH wasn't able to run his offense in order to have Cody start. Still have nightmares of tipped passes at the line of scrimmage.
That said, I fully expect Oregon to look like world beaters when they play the Buffs. We really value helping other teams meet their goals and set records while doing it.
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My lasting memory of helfrich was the fly sweep on the one yard line at TAMU. That was enjoyable
[shudders] thanks for reminding me of that moment.
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The first moment that I thought that Helfrich was in over his head in Oregon was against Stanford two years ago when they were suddenly down by three scores (roughly), they knew their national championship dreams were over, he had one star wide receiver taunting Stanford fans behind his bench, he had a second star player openly weeping on the sidelines without the courtesy towel over the head, and Mark was just standing there shell shocked on the sidelines facing the field with his arms crossed with a look of disbelief like he just wrecked his dad's favorite car.
It was in one of the 2008 pre-season presser/interviews MH said CU was going to have a zone read type O without having CH "run too much". You might recall DS getting the ball on a zone read give over and over, only to be creamed at the LOS because everybody knew prince Cody was no threat to run. It was at the KU game in 08 when I realized we were getting the shaft so CH could play and rack up stats....3 yards at a time. Of course the ultimate example was the KU game two years later.....
So was Chip in over his head? He had loads of talent. Where is his hardware? Lots of choke with Chip's teams. Where is his national championship? Big losses when big stakes involved.
And how is this different from 2012 when Chip lost to Stanford with all of the national championship dreams on the line? You're only selecting evidence that supports your view.
didnt see anything but the dux putting a beat down on stanford this year
Different Stanford team, they can't run in the games I've seen them.
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