Discussion in 'Colorado Football Message Board' started by iggy, Feb 5, 2009.
Give me your honest oppinion.
Barnett was much better at getting the maximum output out of lesser talent at both CU and NW.
honestly? no idea.
GB's last years were so tainted with the "scandal" crap and hawk has only been here 3 years and the first class of his was a patch work job.
from my corner, i would say.... lets see what hawk does this year. he has built up some good talent.
one thing about GB. he took a lot of RN's recruits and kept/made them good players. think of 2001. he didnt ruin the guys and that does happen a lot with new coaches.
honestly, im not sure a fair comparison can ever be made with GB and other coaches at CU. the limits that were placed on him were beyond stupid. he had no chance.
i will agree with rino. you dont win at a place like NW without being a damn good coach.
Barnett was a fraud.
Dude took Northwestern to the Rose Bowl and CU to the Fiesta Bowl. Hard to say a coach who pulls that off is a fraud.
He had his issues and he wasn't the world's best recruiter, but he wasn't a fraud. Not by a longshot. He had a hell of a lot more success at CU than Hawk has had so far. 49-39 record at CU and 2 losing seasons in 7 years.
I really like Hawk and think he's going to end up being really good for CU, but he's gotta produce results on the field.
Hawk's problems were cuz Barnett did nothing his last couple years recruiting wise. He left a couple good athletes but otherwise the cupboard was empty
yes. and that was because of the friggin stupid limitations placed upon GB and his staff during the last couple of years at CU.
you cant leave that out of the equation. it matters.
Agreed. There wasn't much left when Hawk took over. But that only underscores the point, IMO. There wasn't much here when Barnett was around, either. Yet he managed to go 8-5 and 7-5 in his last 2 seasons.
That was the first indication that the big 10 wasn't what it seemed. And it was a down year in the big 10. And Northwestern had a favorable schedule.
Hey Buffarino, how was the luncheon:smile2: I think Hawk is a good man and a man of integrity. I wouldn't want anyone else to be the coach of the Buffs. Now with that said let's see some results. Mac seems to like him and with my limited knowledge Hawk reminds me a lot of Mac. Go Buffs
He won the Big 10 with North-freaking-western two years in a row. He took CU to the Big 12 CCG 4 out of his last 5 years.
I'm not saying he's the world's best coach. But I think he gets more out of less than most coaches do, especially Hawk and his staff.
Hopefully Hawk won't have to worry about getting more with less starting next year since he won't have less in the talent dept.
I dunno, you tell me. Did daddy buy you a ticket?
That might be true.
But he still did a helluva job at Northwestern and you can't take that away from him. NW was one of the losingest programs in all of college football. It still holds the record of consecutive losses at 34. Only two coaches have ever taken NW to the Rose Bowl and GB was one of them. Their 1996 trip to Pasadena was the first bowl game for NW since 1949. He left NW in the best shape it had been in since the 1930s.
GB was an excellent position coach and coordinator for McCartney while he was at CU.
I don't know where GB went wrong while he was at CU. The Buffs looked a lot stronger and a lot more consistant under Barnett then the did under Neuheisel. GB was one Craig Ochs int from getting into the MNc game in '01 and he gave us our last BCS appearance. Somewhere he got off or fell off and then was run over by the recruiting bus. I think Tharp made things a little too cushy for GB. If the recruiting scandal had not gotten out I think Bohn would not been hired and GB would probably still be here after turning around a couple of bad classes.
Barnett had his chance. He ran the team into the ground. End of story really. It's Hawks time to prove himself. If he doesn't he'll find himself in the same spot Barnett is.
...oh wait. Barnett still hasn't found a job yet. I'm pretty sure Hawkins will be a HC at another program.
I'm very glad Barnett is not the coach now.
Barnett surrounded himself with better coaches.
Hawk surrounds himself with good recruiters, and unproven coaches.
So basically, I am not making a decision.
70-3 in the CCG or 58-0 in Mizzou?
Both coaches have generated some emotional low blows.
2001 NU or 2007 OU?
Gotta go with 6td Chris Brown for the marquee home victory.
Barnett's 2001 conference title was the biggest thrill in the past ten years.
But with Thorp/GB, the school became a punchline that spun out of contol. From those ashes came Bohn/Hawk and some restoration of public good will.
GB had his moment in the sun. DH is coaching his son.
GB has his $3M severence for walking away while DH is in the lowest tier of B12 HC by pay.
In the end, I want to see Hawkins finish the job he started with the players he has assembled. No more looking back at GB with ifs, ands, or buts.
I have heard many negative things from several different former players about Barnett. I am friends with one, I work with one, and one is on this board.
I liked him from like '90-'02, but from what I have heard, I am glad he is no longer here.
Since I was more of a baseball fan [at least before the strike] I am a numbers guy.
49-38 vs 13-24
I would have to go with the guy that is over .500.
Just about all players that post on my other board say fans really don't want to know what goes on inside a program.
Let me be clear that I am happy with Hawk and I think he's the right guy for the job, although he has to go produce wins now.
All I'm saying is that based on their respective on-field performance at CU, Barnett seemed to be better at getting the maximum effort out of his players. That doesn't mean I want him back. I don't. That ship has sailed.
So, this has turned into the annual "GB Debate" thread. :huh:
hey...bring him back as the OC....or somewhere on the offensive staff. Barnett was on our staff during our best years of football...:smile:
This is a facking stupid thread, seriously people. Let it go.
Can I go ahead and fantasize about who I wish could coach the team, too? I would go with Bear Bryant or someone like that.... Maybe Barry Switzer could be brought in to coach the Buffs? Bill McCartney is presently unemployed -- I bet he could come back and do some miraculous things - since we're fantasizing and all.
While we're at it, maybe we can all go back in time to 1989/1990 and just live the rest of our lives in those two years. I know I had a lot of fun with my gf in 1989/1990 - so I wouldn't mind spending a few more years back then.
Personally, I'll take Coach Mac. In alternative, I think we've got a good one with Hawk. Give him a chance.
Yes, I know. You hate Barnett. Tell us again how much you hate him because of some perceived slight to a family member 20 years ago...
Barnett won the North in his last year at CU with his players. Hawk has never even sniffed coming that close. I think Hawk will eclipse what Barnett did at CU, but he's not there yet. Not even close.
End of discussion.
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