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Will BYU end up screwing us?

I have to question the assertion that Las Vegas is already in the Pac 10 television footprint. Las Vegas is a big city, and a major sports book center. It is probably on everybody's footprint, if you think about it. Even so, I would tend to think that Las Vegas would be a better TV market than Albuquerque would be.
 
unlv isn't going into the p10. there are very very longtime feelings of extreme ill will. think: the tark.
 
sackman said:
I have to question the assertion that Las Vegas is already in the Pac 10 television footprint. Las Vegas is a big city, and a major sports book center. It is probably on everybody's footprint, if you think about it. Even so, I would tend to think that Las Vegas would be a better TV market than Albuquerque would be.
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When I lived in Vegas, pretty much all the locals went with LA or Phoenix teams. It's not a loyal market or anything, but it's in the Pac footprint.
 
sackman said:
I have to question the assertion that Las Vegas is already in the Pac 10 television footprint. Las Vegas is a big city, and a major sports book center. It is probably on everybody's footprint, if you think about it. Even so, I would tend to think that Las Vegas would be a better TV market than Albuquerque would be.
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I live in Vegas and I can assure you it basically is the LA market. All SoCal sports teams are shown locally on at least two stations, there are tons of SoCal transplants. It's only a three hour drive to the LA area. If they're looking to expand into different TV markets Vegas would not be an option as it's already there. I hope CU is able to join the PAC10, but I feel they will need to add a few more sports (baseball, softball at least) to make it happen. And that would be a good thing, too.
 
sackman said:
I have to question the assertion that Las Vegas is already in the Pac 10 television footprint. Las Vegas is a big city, and a major sports book center. It is probably on everybody's footprint, if you think about it. Even so, I would tend to think that Las Vegas would be a better TV market than Albuquerque would be.
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Vegas is certainly a tough market to figure out. A lot of transplants there, a lot of other options for entertainment. The major corporations in LV are the casinos and they are barred from sponsoring NCAA teams, so you are hamstrung to fund large facility upgrades, obtain corporate sponsorships, and sell premium seating.

Long-term, the Pac Ten could "own" the market simply by surrounding Las Vegas (ie they already have LA and Phoenix) by gaining SLC and Denver. Twenty years from now, no other major conference is going to "reach" from 3 states away to invite UNLV; so the Pac Ten doesn't need to worry about having direct representation there.

I still am curious about any interest they might have in Hawaii to push what their new commish identifies as : "new forms of revenue in international markets, particularly along the Pacific Rim."

New Mexico is a solid runner-up candidate to Utah if they are just trying to get to 12 teams for a CCG and the possibility of forming their own TV network.
 
Expanding on Scottybuffs post, I think a move to the PAC10 would help us with recruiting the somoas and Hawaii. I think the Somoas are going to be the next Texas, California, Florida as far as college football recruiting goes.
 
IMO, the Pac 10 expansion goes like this:

Plan A: Add CU and Utah

Plan B: If BYU and the Utah gov't. block Utah, add CU and UNM or CSU or AFA or UNLV or Nevada, in that order.

Obviously, Plan A is what the Pac-10 people want IF they want to expand.
 
sackman said:
I have to question the assertion that Las Vegas is already in the Pac 10 television footprint. Las Vegas is a big city, and a major sports book center. It is probably on everybody's footprint, if you think about it. Even so, I would tend to think that Las Vegas would be a better TV market than Albuquerque would be.
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If you've spent any time in Vegas during CFB season, you find out pretty fast that it is Pac-10 TV territory. Can't find a decent Big XII game to save your life outside of the sports books...
 
Junction said:
If you've spent any time in Vegas during CFB season, you find out pretty fast that it is Pac-10 TV territory. Can't find a decent Big XII game to save your life outside of the sports books...
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Fair enough. I've been to Vegas, but I'm not usually channel surfing in the hotel room when I'm there.
 
sackman said:
Fair enough. I've been to Vegas, but I'm not usually channel surfing in the hotel room when I'm there.
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Off topic: But that's by design, too. Next time you're in Vegas, check out how there's extra space at the bottom of your door so that the room is a bit noisier from the hallway and how the channels on the tv pretty much suck (and most of it is advertising Vegas attractions). The room may look nice when you first open it, but there are little things everywhere to make it less comfortable and encourage you to get out of it and spend some money. :smile2:
 
The Lobos have a good/decent following, but I know way too many people that only go for the tailgating. I don't think Albquerque has a sizable market to manage a BCS level team. It is the only game in town, but there just aren't enough recruits in these parts to field a team that could compete with a Pac10 school. The academics of UNM aren't great either and I don't see them being a "want" from that side either.
 
@NMBuff

But if Utah or CU doesn't end up going to the Pac-10 for whatever reason, UNM may be the next best bet because of the size of Albuquerque's TV market. Them and Vegas are basically the next largest TV market to tap in the western part of the country, and Vegas is already a Pac-10 market whereas Albuquerque is currently a Big XII market.
 
leftybuff said:
IMO, the Pac 10 expansion goes like this:

Plan A: Add CU and Utah

Plan B: If BYU and the Utah gov't. block Utah, add CU and UNM or CSU or AFA or UNLV or Nevada, in that order.

Obviously, Plan A is what the Pac-10 people want IF they want to expand.
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I disagree with the Pac Ten "wish list".

#1 Texas and Texas A&M
#2 Texas and Colorado
#3 Texas A&M and Colorado
#4 Colorado and Nebraska
#5 Colorado and Utah
#6 status quo. noone else worth adding, negotiate media rights with current lineup and wait for next opportunity.
 
ScottyBuff said:
I disagree with the Pac Ten "wish list".

#1 Texas and Texas A&M
#2 Texas and Colorado
#3 Texas A&M and Colorado
#4 Colorado and Nebraska
#5 Colorado and Utah
#6 status quo. noone else worth adding, negotiate media rights with current lineup and wait for next opportunity.
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Don't ignore what UT (and aTm, to a lesser extent) will demand to go anywhere. That's definitely part of the equation.
 
Re: UNLV

I just spent all weekend at UNLV's football stadium and it simply is not a BCS conference stadium. It's small and in the middle of nowhere. Not near the strip, not on campus at UNLV. Only reason I have a positive impression is because the international rugby fans who were there made the (unique) atmosphere great.
 
Nor Cal Buff said:
Re: UNLV

I just spent all weekend at UNLV's football stadium and it simply is not a BCS conference stadium. It's small and in the middle of nowhere. Not near the strip, not on campus at UNLV. Only reason I have a positive impression is because the international rugby fans who were there made the (unique) atmosphere great.
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Don't care. I want roadies to Vegas every other year. Make them agree to upgrade facilities as part of the deal and let's do it! :rofl:
 
The PAC 10 does not want BYU, they don't want to deal with BYU, they don't want to put up with BYU, they are not interested. BYU may end up killing the chance for Utah to move but trying to pull a power play to get BYU in is doomed to failure regardless of what the BYU people want.

The primary reason for expansion to the reason why all conferences make their decisions, money. By expanding the conference they can add to the TV footprint of the conference and get a better TV deal and to a lesser extent also add strength in scheduling in terms of generating money. By going to a 12 team league they can add a conference championship game with the money that brings and ideally add to their ability to get additional at large seats in the BCS bowls, better non-BCS bowls, and more teams in the BB tourney.

Adding Utah gives a solid football and basketball program and solid attention for television in the SLC and surrounding areas. BYU is solid in FB and BB but with in addition to Utah would not add sufficient marginal ratings growth to justify the extra division of revenues.

The biggest problem with BYU is that they refuse to schedule on Sundays. This would greatly diminish potential TV revenues from BB and create scheduling nightmares for non-revenue sports as the PAC 10 schedules heavily on Sundays.

If BYU prevents the PAC 10 from going to Utah and assuming that one of the major Texas schools is not available or considered then UNM would be the logical choice. They are not in a recruiting hotbed but with the additional exposure and with the additional revenue gained they would recruit stronger in Texas and in California. They have had decent FB in the past and when they do they draw good attendance. BB has been solid for many years and again they draw very well. Albequrque is one of the faster growing markets in the country and has good demographics as well.
 
BYU wont be invited to the PAC 12 just for the reason that they would need a unanimous vote from all the members.
 
I'm reminded of a couple things vis-a-vis BYU. First, when it became clear to the LDS that their stance on multiple marriages would create a financial impact on them, they decided it wasn't such a big deal. Next, when their policy of treating minorities (specifically Blacks) as non-human threatened to impact the church financially, they decided it wasn't such a big deal afterall.

If the money is right, the LDS will decide that playing on Sundays isn't such a big deal.
 
sackman said:
I'm reminded of a couple things vis-a-vis BYU. First, when it became clear to the LDS that their stance on multiple marriages would create a financial impact on them, they decided it wasn't such a big deal. Next, when their policy of treating minorities (specifically Blacks) as non-human threatened to impact the church financially, they decided it wasn't such a big deal afterall.

If the money is right, the LDS will decide that playing on Sundays isn't such a big deal.
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But will they revoke their Statement on Academic Freedom?

Without knowing for sure, I bet that will cost them Stanford's vote and probably Cal's too regardless of Sunday scheduling and lack of research.
 
ScottyBuff said:
But will they revoke their Statement on Academic Freedom?

Without knowing for sure, I bet that will cost them Stanford's vote and probably Cal's too regardless of Sunday scheduling and lack of research.
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Based on what they've done in the past, I'd say that if the money was right, they'd revoke their own grandmother.
 
sackman said:
Based on what they've done in the past, I'd say that if the money was right, they'd revoke their own grandmother.
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:lol:

Which one? Their step grandmother or their other stepgrandmother, or the other one?



j/k- not meaning to offend any Mormons
 
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