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Washington State @ CU 11/19 @ 1:30 PM on Fox Official PREGAME Thread

I have no idea why - but I feel like we are going to crush WSU. Rationally, I know that this will be a hard game, but for some reason I'm having visions of looking up and seeing this one wrapped up by the 4th quarter.
 
Benefit of the up-tempo - can't sub d-line. Let's get him in the game, then stick him there for 10-12 consecutive plays. See how good their conditioning program really is.
 
ZandiBuff said:
Benefit of the up-tempo - can't sub d-line. Let's get him in the game, then stick him there for 10-12 consecutive plays. See how good their conditioning program really is.
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If we can run 10 or 12 consecutive plays without subbing, then WSU is done anyway
 
It's All good. The Buffs have reached a point about two games into the season where they want other teams best shots #noexcuses
 
ZandiBuff said:
Benefit of the up-tempo - can't sub d-line. Let's get him in the game, then stick him there for 10-12 consecutive plays. See how good their conditioning program really is.
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More than fair. Oregon tried to run up-tempo on us, so did Cal. We won those games 51-33 and 56-21, respectively. My problem is that I keep trying to find a clear advantage for either team and it's just not here. Both teams strengths match the other teams strengths, and both weaknesses match other weaknesses. Seems like Vegas agrees with the -4.5 for you guys.

I honestly don't believe the altitude is going to be that huge of an issue though (although I know you guys pride yourselves on it). There's only about 1.5% less oxygen available. Though that's a big deal to an overweight alumni as myself having to walk around your campus, I doubt it affects our guys that much with as much as we sub.
 
HashtagCougs said:
More than fair. Oregon tried to run up-tempo on us, so did Cal. We won those games 51-33 and 56-21, respectively. My problem is that I keep trying to find a clear advantage for either team and it's just not here. Both teams strengths match the other teams strengths, and both weaknesses match other weaknesses. Seems like Vegas agrees with the -4.5 for you guys.

I honestly don't believe the altitude is going to be that huge of an issue though (although I know you guys pride yourselves on it). There's only about 1.5% less oxygen available. Though that's a big deal to an overweight alumni as myself having to walk around your campus, I doubt it affects our guys that much with as much as we sub.
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Altitude impact depends on a number of factors, such as long sustained drives by our offense. It can really sap energy from opposing teams. I've seen it numerous times. Demoralization just sets in a little easier than it would without the altitude.

I'm biased, but when all else fails you go with the team with the better defense. Colorado simply has the better defense of the two teams, let alone one of the top defenses in the country. Add that to home-field advantage and you can see why Colorado is favored. Similar to Super Bowl 50 where the Panthers came in with a great offense and solid defense, but the better defense won the game.
 
buffedup said:
Altitude impact depends on a number of factors, such as long sustained drives by our offense. It can really sap energy from opposing teams. I've seen it numerous times. Demoralization just sets in a little easier than it would without the altitude.

I'm biased, but when all else fails you go with the team with the better defense. Colorado simply has the better defense of the two teams, let alone one of the top defenses in the country. Add that to home-field advantage and you can see why Colorado is favored. Similar to Super Bowl 50 where the Panthers came in with a great offense and solid defense, but the better defense won the game.
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nice take on it. agree and hope you are correct Sir.
 
I hope to see some no huddle but not as much uptempo with it. Keep them from subbing in and out but then line it up and run it at them, with some short passes mixed in. This will keep their offense off the field, wear down their D-line, and pull the DBs in closer to drop some deep passes on them later in the game. Combine this with a couple of turnovers forced by our D and we could seriously limit their TOP.

A kind of NE Patriots type offensive game plan.
 
HashtagCougs said:
More than fair. Oregon tried to run up-tempo on us, so did Cal. We won those games 51-33 and 56-21, respectively. My problem is that I keep trying to find a clear advantage for either team and it's just not here. Both teams strengths match the other teams strengths, and both weaknesses match other weaknesses. Seems like Vegas agrees with the -4.5 for you guys.

I honestly don't believe the altitude is going to be that huge of an issue though (although I know you guys pride yourselves on it). There's only about 1.5% less oxygen available. Though that's a big deal to an overweight alumni as myself having to walk around your campus, I doubt it affects our guys that much with as much as we sub.
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both those teams have really ****ty D's
 
buffedup said:
Altitude impact depends on a number of factors, such as long sustained drives by our offense. It can really sap energy from opposing teams. I've seen it numerous times. Demoralization just sets in a little easier than it would without the altitude.

I'm biased, but when all else fails you go with the team with the better defense. Colorado simply has the better defense of the two teams, let alone one of the top defenses in the country. Add that to home-field advantage and you can see why Colorado is favored. Similar to Super Bowl 50 where the Panthers came in with a great offense and solid defense, but the better defense won the game.
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I can go with this. I think where it comes into play is if the game is a shootout (which is entirely possible), or if we're up by <7 points with a couple minutes left in the game. I would definitely give you the edge based on altitude in that instance.

As far as defenses go, yours definitely gets the nod for being tops. However ours is a lot better than on paper. We have definitely embraced Leach's bend but don't break mentality. Also Grinch has really got these guys on board and there are guys flying all over the place. Most tackles you'll see 2-3 or more Coug defenders swarming the ball carrier.

I'm actually flying down Friday morning with a group of guys so we can both attend the game and have one poor saps bachelor party. I can't wait to watch this one, should be a hell of a game. Plus I've never been to boulder so I'm looking forward to checking things out.

Good luck, hoping for an injury free game, but.... go Cougs!
 
I believe CU will win this weekend. Why? Go to the Pac-12.com site and look at the conference only stats. You will find that:

1. CU leads the PAC in sacks.
2. CU trails only Utah in interceptions on defense and WSU doesn't have Utah on their schedule.
3. CU has the best total defense in the PAC.
4. CU only trails UCLA in pass efficiency defense during conference play.

WSU beat UCLA 27-21 in Pullman and UCLA's defense is one of the best defenses in the PAC. WSU also didn't do that great on the road beating ASU & OSU by less than one TD while CU blew out both teams at home. CU's offense also got back up and running in Tucson.

Even if WSU loses in Boulder, it doesn't affect their conference championship hopes and will they be looking ahead to the UW game in Pullman? Could Leach hold back on the playbook this weekend? WSU isn't going to the CFP thanks to that loss at home against EWU so a loss in Boulder doesn't hurt them at all. Couple that with a CU team that is still on a mission to win the South Division.

IMO CU wins 31-21.
 
Jalapeno said:
I believe CU will win this weekend. Why? Go to the Pac-12.com site and look at the conference only stats. You will find that:

1. CU leads the PAC in sacks.
2. CU trails only Utah in interceptions on defense and WSU doesn't have Utah on their schedule.
3. CU has the best total defense in the PAC.
4. CU only trails UCLA in pass efficiency defense during conference play.

WSU beat UCLA 27-21 in Pullman and UCLA's defense is one of the best defenses in the PAC. WSU also didn't do that great on the road beating ASU & OSU by less than one TD while CU blew out both teams at home. CU's offense also got back up and running in Tucson.

Even if WSU loses in Boulder, it doesn't affect their conference championship hopes and will they be looking ahead to the UW game in Pullman? Could Leach hold back on the playbook this weekend? WSU isn't going to the CFP thanks to that loss at home against EWU so a loss in Boulder doesn't hurt them at all. Couple that with a CU team that is still on a mission to win the South Division.

IMO CU wins 31-21.
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I can answer those. No... and no. You won't find a single kid sitting in that WSU locker room that doesn't think this game is important. You might see on our defensive sideline one of the coaches holding up a sign that says "1-0 60:00" which means we go 1-0 this week, play for 60 minutes. No one is looking ahead, and if you think that you may be in for a bit of a surprise come Saturday.

I do think your defense will get to Falk a few times, but not as many as you're hoping for. The past 2 games our QB's have dropped back a combined 107 times, and our O-line has given up exactly zero sacks. On the year so far Falk has been sacked 23 times in 479 attempts. So on average he's sacked every 20 drops. That's damn good for a team that chucks it as much as we do. He's also really picked up his pocket presence this year and steps up to elude pressure much better than in the past.

Again, I think it's going to be a close and really tight game, too close for me to even call. But all of you that think you're gonna blow us out are gonna be wringing your hands in the 4th quarter.
 
dio said:
I have no idea why - but I feel like we are going to crush WSU. Rationally, I know that this will be a hard game, but for some reason I'm having visions of looking up and seeing this one wrapped up by the 4th quarter.
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I like this match up a lot more than I like the Utah match up. Plus history with the Pirate.
 
Let's not forget the importance of how the crowd can impact the game. If we can get a loaded student section, Folsom will have an impact. Looking at WSU's road schedule (in games that they've won), they've played at OSU, Stanford, and ASU. OSU and Stanford have been considered two of the easiest places to play on the road. The Coug's game at ASU was attended by 50K, but the stadium holds 70K. Folsom will be close to capacity and will (hopefully) be LOUD.
 
HashtagCougs said:
I can answer those. No... and no. You won't find a single kid sitting in that WSU locker room that doesn't think this game is important. You might see on our defensive sideline one of the coaches holding up a sign that says "1-0 60:00" which means we go 1-0 this week, play for 60 minutes. No one is looking ahead, and if you think that you may be in for a bit of a surprise come Saturday.

I do think your defense will get to Falk a few times, but not as many as you're hoping for. The past 2 games our QB's have dropped back a combined 107 times, and our O-line has given up exactly zero sacks. On the year so far Falk has been sacked 23 times in 479 attempts. So on average he's sacked every 20 drops. That's damn good for a team that chucks it as much as we do. He's also really picked up his pocket presence this year and steps up to elude pressure much better than in the past.

Again, I think it's going to be a close and really tight game, too close for me to even call. But all of you that think you're gonna blow us out are gonna be wringing your hands in the 4th quarter.
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I don't expect WSU to lay down and let Ralphie run over them but think about this:

CU will have to play well in two consecutive games and if the Buffs win out, they go to the CCG. Meanwhile, if WSU only has to play well in one game, it'll be at home against UW. Now, if CU & WSU play again in the CCG, WSU has the best chance to win the CCG since WSU's players would have more left in the tank than CU's players.

CU and CU's DC Jim Leavitt who coached KSU's defense back in the Big 12 has the most knowledge of Leach coached teams when it comes to the P12. Why give a veteran DC like Leavitt two games worth (CU & WSU) to prepare for in the CCG?

Leach struggles against good CU teams based on his history against the Buffs. And why would Leach want to show UW that much on offense for the game next weekend?

It's a long season and WSU can afford a let down against CU without harming its P12 title aspirations. Had WSU not lost to EWU, it would be a whole different approach for this game since a playoff spot would be on the line. I wouldn't be surprised to see Leach go conservative in this one, whip UW at home, and then go all out against CU in the CCG. It's hard enough beating the same team twice in the same season.
 
married2abuff said:
Let's not forget the importance of how the crowd can impact the game. If we can get a loaded student section, Folsom will have an impact. Looking at WSU's road schedule (in games that they've won), they've played at OSU, Stanford, and ASU. OSU and Stanford have been considered two of the easiest places to play on the road. The Coug's game at ASU was attended by 50K, but the stadium holds 70K. Folsom will be close to capacity and will (hopefully) be LOUD.
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I think it's safe to assume that regardless of how many there are, they will all be loaded
 
Jalapeno said:
I don't expect WSU to lay down and let Ralphie run over them but think about this:

CU will have to play well in two consecutive games and if the Buffs win out, they go to the CCG. Meanwhile, if WSU only has to play well in one game, it'll be at home against UW. Now, if CU & WSU play again in the CCG, WSU has the best chance to win the CCG since WSU's players would have more left in the tank than CU's players.

CU and CU's DC Jim Leavitt who coached KSU's defense back in the Big 12 has the most knowledge of Leach coached teams when it comes to the P12. Why give a veteran DC like Leavitt two games worth (CU & WSU) to prepare for in the CCG?

Leach struggles against good CU teams based on his history against the Buffs. And why would Leach want to show UW that much on offense for the game next weekend?

It's a long season and WSU can afford a let down against CU without harming its P12 title aspirations. Had WSU not lost to EWU, it would be a whole different approach for this game since a playoff spot would be on the line. I wouldn't be surprised to see Leach go conservative in this one, whip UW at home, and then go all out against CU in the CCG. It's hard enough beating the same team twice in the same season.
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If we have to play CU twice, CU will have to play us twice too. Believe me, Leach never gets into the strategy of "take it easy this game because it doesn't matter." He wants to win every game, by as many points as possible. He's managed to put a few wrinkles into the offense and Grinch into the defense that, obviously based on our 7-0 conference record has kept people on their toes.

Also, throw out any prior history of Leach against CU teams. This isn't about Leach, this is about the kids on the field. You can't correlate Leach at TTU in the 2000's to Leach at WSU in the 2010's. I mean, you can, but I don't see what you're trying to prove?

I promise you, WSU is going to come out hard and fast and try to win this game. It's our only game this week, and it's the only one they want to win. After Saturday they'll reset and worry about UW.
 
Randy.Watson said:
I hope to see some no huddle but not as much uptempo with it. Keep them from subbing in and out but then line it up and run it at them, with some short passes mixed in. This will keep their offense off the field, wear down their D-line, and pull the DBs in closer to drop some deep passes on them later in the game. Combine this with a couple of turnovers forced by our D and we could seriously limit their TOP.

A kind of NE Patriots type offensive game plan.
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CU doesn't huddle on offense.
 
HashtagCougs said:
If we have to play CU twice, CU will have to play us twice too. Believe me, Leach never gets into the strategy of "take it easy this game because it doesn't matter." He wants to win every game, by as many points as possible. He's managed to put a few wrinkles into the offense and Grinch into the defense that, obviously based on our 7-0 conference record has kept people on their toes.

Also, throw out any prior history of Leach against CU teams. This isn't about Leach, this is about the kids on the field. You can't correlate Leach at TTU in the 2000's to Leach at WSU in the 2010's. I mean, you can, but I don't see what you're trying to prove?

I promise you, WSU is going to come out hard and fast and try to win this game. It's our only game this week, and it's the only one they want to win. After Saturday they'll reset and worry about UW.
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Valid points. One other thing I would point out is the "It" factor. The leaders on this CU team have been to hell and back with their climb from being the laughing stock of college football.

I have no doubt that WSU has great leadership on their team, but...

Out of the decades of CU football that I've watched, the junior and senior leadership on this team is second to none in the proud history of Colorado football. WSU better be prepared for not only a very good team, but a team that will lay everything on the line to beat them.
 
buffedup said:
Valid points. One other thing I would point out is the "It" factor. The leaders on this CU team have been to hell and back with their climb from being the laughing stock of college football.

I have no doubt that WSU has great leadership on their team, but...

Out of the decades of CU football that I've watched, the junior and senior leadership on this team is second to none in the proud history of Colorado football. WSU better be prepared for not only a very good team, but a team that will lay everything on the line to beat them.
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I forgot to mention that WSU could also help eliminate a white hot USC team by losing at CU and Utah beating UO at home. CU & Utah would be much more manageable than USC in the P12 CCG.

Gotta think like a pirate...

And we still own Leach.
 


Wazzu's main deal is the passing game. We typically neutralize other teams' passing attacks. Even in our worst loss to UMich, our punter cost us 2 TDs, not the defense. In our two losses as a whole, our defense held their opponents below their normal PPG output. If Wazzu can either a) find a way to unlock our elite secondary or b) pound the rock like UMich or USC did, they will win.

If not, best wishes in the Apple Cup.
 
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