Just got done re-watching the game

[TDforTD]

I have to admit both the optimists and the pessimists are going off the rails here.

That’s fine. I see no issue with being upset with MM, previous recruiting, current recruiting, his retaining of useless staff, his slow hiring process, Eliot, Jeffcoat, etc. Lay it on him/them.

But what does Leavitt have to do with any of it? We should have paid him to stay? We should have fired MM to keep him and name him HC? Those things weren’t happening so why do the pessimists have to keep bringing him up? Why would you then have a problem with one or two people bringing up Leavitt’s less than ideal results in a far better situation?

I stopped helping Burrito and Nik spam out their nudes to unsuspecting users and I’ve been reporting TOS violations every chance I get. Once I become a full moderator, I plan on banning anyone bringing up Leavitt on both sides. I think we will lose more people on the negativity side.

 

[SINKRATZ]

Holic never said he walked on water and always maintained that. His record at Oregon speaks for itself. And his recruiting here at CU didn't help our situation!

I've been told repeatedly here that coordinators shouldn't be expected to recruit *cough* Lindgren *cough*.

 

[vinniew_11]

And that really is the point. Leavitt's value under a defensive minded head coach did not approach the value he brought to other programs, not to mention the funny-money that is Oregon football. Eliot is the Black Knight fighting King Arther in Monty Python.

More valid questions are why did we not load up more for the 3-4? If Utah can get guys, we should have some guys.

Utah has also won a ton of games in the 10 years when CU was bad. They have a track record and a great relationship with Poly players. CU has one good season and everyone suddenly expects Utah level recruits. We do have a leg up in location, facilities and school prestige, but Kyle at Utah is a proven coach who’s been at Utah a long time with a lot of success

 

[SINKRATZ]

Oh FFS... Saying that he wouldn't have this defensive personnel playing at a significantly higher level than Eliot, doesn't mean I think he's a bad coach, and I've never said as much. You, Slider and Big Jim can continue deifying him all you want.

We can disagree on the first point - I think a lot more highly of Leavitt than Eliot. On the rest, if it makes you feel better to criticize Leavitt now I understand, but I'm choosing not to change my opinion of him as a coach just because he left for another program.

 

[The Alabaster Yak]

We can disagree on the first point - I think a lot more highly of Leavitt than Eliot. On the rest, if it makes you feel better to criticize Leavitt now I understand, but I'm choosing not to change my opinion of him as a coach just because he left for another program.

But I’m not trying to criticize him or call him a bad coach. I’m simply pointing out that he can only do as much as his personnel allows him to do, and that his presence in Eugene has only yielded modest results, thus far, with far more talent than CU has.

 

[Zapata]

And that really is the point. Leavitt's value under a defensive minded head coach did not approach the value he brought to other programs, not to mention the funny-money that is Oregon football. Eliot is the Black Knight fighting King Arther in Monty Python.

More valid questions are why did we not load up more for the 3-4? If Utah can get guys, we should have some guys.

Utah developed a DL pipeline with talented Poly guys . Colorado needs to find and then develop its own pipeline for DL talent. This staff has had some recent success with Jucos. The Juco route however, should be used to plug holes, not as its mainstay. I know this notion has already been brought-up on the board before. Question now is: how're we going to develop our pipeline?

 

[BuffsNYC]

Suddenly a 1-6 Oregon State team is not inept?

I get some of you guys are annoyed with dumb negativity (fire Mac, etc.), but can we stop the "Oregon State is not a bad team" narrative as well. Come on.

OSU has turned the ball over 18 times in 7 games. They turned it over once against us and, lo and behold, played their closest loss of the season. It's amazing how not doing stupid **** (like penalties and turnovers) turns an "inept" team into a non-inept team.

 

[Duff Man]

That’s fine. I see no issue with being upset with MM, previous recruiting, current recruiting, his retaining of useless staff, his slow hiring process, Eliot, Jeffcoat, etc. Lay it on him/them.

But what does Leavitt have to do with any of it? We should have paid him to stay? We should have fired MM to keep him and name him HC? Those things weren’t happening so why do the pessimists have to keep bringing him up? Why would you then have a problem with one or two people bringing up Leavitt’s less than ideal results in a far better situation?

I stopped helping Burrito and Nik spam out their nudes to unsuspecting users and I’ve been reporting TOS violations every chance I get. Once I become a full moderator, I plan on banning anyone bringing up Leavitt on both sides. I think we will lose more people on the negativity side.

I get it, just think there is so much extreme talk on both sides, there can be a balance.

A win over Oregon State can just be a win over a bad team. There does not need to be an attempt to portray Oregon State as a team who is actually better than their record would indicate. Concurrently, a close win over a bad team does not mean the rest of the season is hopeless and that we will be "lucky" to win another game.

 

[J.R. Ewing]

OSU has turned the ball over 18 times in 7 games. They turned it over once against us and, lo and behold, played their closest loss of the season. It's amazing how not doing stupid **** (like penalties and turnovers) turns an "inept" team into a non-inept team.

They still out gained us by nearly 200 yards despite having a 1 turnover deficit. They were the better team from top to bottom, but we came away with the W.

 

[SINKRATZ]

But I’m not trying to criticize him or call him a bad coach. I’m simply pointing out that he can only do as much as his personnel allows him to do, and that his presence in Eugene has only yielded modest results, thus far, with far more talent than CU has.

It's his first year there, but he built a great defense here without needing 4 years of turnover and to get "his guys" in here before seeing success. He turned a dog **** defense into one of the best in the conference. I trust Leavitt will turn that Oregon defense into something good, I don't have the same trust in Eliot because he's never done it before.

 

[Bread]

I appreciate the effort to put a positive spin on this abysmal game. The facts are that we sucked and got lucky to win. The coaching staff is going to look at this game and come away thinking that what they’re doing is working when it’s not. It’s not working. At all.

I mean no matter what you think of these coaches, you can't seriously think that ANY coach at a P5 level will look at a win like this and think everything they did is right. No offense, but you're a fan and so are the rest of us. And I sure as hell would rather have the coaches reviewing game film than you. They will find actual things to work on because there is a lot to work on. You do not know more than these coaches. Get off the high horse or go try and coach college football. I guarantee you will find it harder than you believe it to be.

 

[White_Rabbit]

They still out gained us by nearly 200 yards despite having a 1 turnover deficit. They were the better team from top to bottom, but we came away with the W.

we got TDs, they settled for FGs

 

[The Alabaster Yak]

It's his first year there, but he built a great defense here without needing 4 years of turnover and to get "his guys" in here before seeing success. He turned a dog **** defense into one of the best in the conference. I trust Leavitt will turn that Oregon defense into something good, I don't have the same trust in Eliot because he's never done it before.

But you're negatively judging Eliot like he's the catalyst in the defenses poor play, not the fact that there is almost no P5 talent in the front seven. I just believe we'd see a similar dropoff with Leavitt and you don't. We can agree to disagree on that.

Also, my position on this stems from the "JUST MAKE ADJUSTMENTS!!!!" crowd, as if the coaches are just a bunch of idots with zero football acumen, who don't see anything wrong. The coaches are the easy scapegoats, but at what point are players held accountable for poor performance? And yes, I fully acknowledge it's on the coaches to recruit better players, but that's not the discussion here.

 

[sackman]

WTF?

Because I'm not a coach I'm
Not allowed to comment on the **** I'm seeing in the field?

**** that. I'll stay on my high horse, thank you very much.

 

[onealcd]

But you're negatively judging Eliot like he's the catalyst in the defenses poor play, not the fact that there is almost no P5 talent in the front seven. I just believe we'd see a similar dropoff with Leavitt and you don't. We can agree to disagree on that.

Also, my position on this stems from the "JUST MAKE ADJUSTMENTS!!!!" crowd, as if the coaches are just a bunch of idots with zero football acumen, who don't see anything wrong. The coaches are the easy scapegoats, but at what point are players held accountable for poor performance? And yes, I fully acknowledge it's on the coaches to recruit better players, but that's not the discussion here.

Yeah tackling has been an issue for a couple weeks now and that isn't really on the coaches, the players are making mistakes there but I definitely see some issues in the run game with Moeller and even Worthington to a certain extent not being able to hold the edge that has to be addressed and it doesn't seem like the coaches care.

 

[SINKRATZ]

But you're negatively judging Eliot like he's the catalyst in the defenses poor play, not the fact that there is almost no P5 talent in the front seven. I just believe we'd see a similar dropoff with Leavitt and you don't. We can agree to disagree on that.

Also, my position on this stems from the "JUST MAKE ADJUSTMENTS!!!!" crowd, as if the coaches are just a bunch of idots with zero football acumen, who don't see anything wrong. The coaches are the easy scapegoats, but at what point are players held accountable for poor performance? And yes, I fully acknowledge it's on the coaches to recruit better players, but that's not the discussion here.

Well you can't fire the players so criticism is naturally going to the coaches.

To your first paragraph, that's right I do feel like Leavitt would have this defense playing better, oh well he's gone now. Mac is a defensive minded coach on his 3rd DC - I find the lack of performance and talent on that side of the ball in year 5 to be wholly disappointing.

 

[leftybuff]

Question now is: how're we going to develop our pipeline?

MikMac's plan is slow and steady, with emphasis on the slow.

 

[The Alabaster Yak]

Well you can't fire the players so criticism is naturally going to the coaches.

To your first paragraph, that's right I do feel like Leavitt would have this defense playing better, oh well he's gone now. Mac is a defensive minded coach on his 3rd DC - I find the lack of performance and talent on that side of the ball in year 5 to be wholly disappointing.

I, too, am disappointed. #recruitbetterplayers

 

[leftybuff]

WTF?

Because I'm not a coach I'm
Not allowed to comment on the **** I'm seeing in the field?

**** that. I'll stay on my high horse, thank you very much.

Sacky for DC!

 

[OsideBuff]

Only idiots who aren't able to back up their opinions believe all opinions are equally valid. It's an objective world.

Well.....glad that we can have a civil debate without the use of names..bwahahahahahaha!!!!. Oregon's defense, one of the worst in FBS last year, is ranked 44th in total defense and 22nd against the run. Our Buffs are 97th and 98th, respectively. Oregons offense, with Herbert, averaged over 300 yards per game passing and 250 yards per game rushing in their first four games and was 7-8 for 90 yards against Cal when he went out with injury. He was the fifth ranked passer in FBS. Despite his injury early, they still whipped Cal. Over the last three games, with their third string QB, they have averaged just 100 yards passing. Their offense has caused the defense to be on the field much more. So, yeah...Leavitt's defense is better than the Buffs this year. I guess you can come up with excuses about how we lost players, Leavitt inherited better athletes, blah, blah, blah. Thank goodness our offense had several 18 play drives the last two weeks or we could easily be at the bottom of the FBS defensive statistics. Now go take on the day!!!!

 

[Bread]

WTF?

Because I'm not a coach I'm
Not allowed to comment on the **** I'm seeing in the field?

**** that. I'll stay on my high horse, thank you very much.

Comment on the **** you see all you want I don't care. But when you say things like "the coaches will think what they are doing is working" that's just wrong. No they don't think they are doing everything right. Read the comment before firing back.

 

[Darth Snow]

Well.....glad that we can have a civil debate without the use of names..bwahahahahahaha!!!!. Oregon's defense, one of the worst in FBS last year, is ranked 44th in total defense and 22nd against the run. Our Buffs are 97th and 98th, respectively. Oregons offense, with Herbert, averaged over 300 yards per game passing and 250 yards per game rushing in their first four games and was 7-8 for 90 yards against Cal when he went out with injury. He was the fifth ranked passer in FBS. Despite his injury early, they still whipped Cal. Over the last three games, with their third string QB, they have averaged just 100 yards passing. Their offense has caused the defense to be on the field much more. So, yeah...Leavitt's defense is better than the Buffs this year. I guess you can come up with excuses about how we lost players, Leavitt inherited better athletes, blah, blah, blah. Thank goodness our offense had several 18 play drives the last two weeks or we could easily be at the bottom of the FBS defensive statistics. Now go take on the day!!!!

I'm pretty sure you are a fusker fan.

 

[SINKRATZ]

I, too, am disappointed. #recruitbetterplayers

Yeah if nothing else it seems everyone is finally coming around on the recruiting issue. The diamonds in the rough, get athletic projects with few P5 offers and try to keep them in the program for 5 years strategy is not sustainable. Even the reigning national coach of the year can only do so much without talent.

 

[OsideBuff]

I'm pretty sure you are a fusker fan.

Brilliant retort!!! Fact based and to the point!!!!! Now we are talking!!!!! Thanks for your contribution to the topic.

 

[OsideBuff]

Yeah if nothing else it seems everyone is finally coming around on the recruiting issue. The diamonds in the rough, get athletic projects with few P5 offers and try to keep them in the program for 5 years strategy is not sustainable. Even the reigning national coach of the year can only do so much without talent.

And the lack of talent is a product of that same National Coach of the Year. Cant complain about something you build. He owns the defensive mess lock stock and barrel.

 

[Darth Snow]

Brilliant retort!!! Fact based and to the point!!!!! Now we are talking!!!!! Thanks for your contribution to the topic.

My fusker friend, I'm not sure who you are even arguing with at this point. I pointed out you said something stupid. That's all.

Anyway, replacing ............. with !!!!!!!!!!!! just makes you look like a more excited type of idiot. (!!!!)

As for your desire to hate all things HCMM, carry on. Enjoy watching the fuskers, or oregon, or whoever you actually like.

 

[Fight CU]

My fusker friend, I'm not sure who you are even arguing with at this point. I pointed out you said something stupid. That's all.

Anyway, replacing ............. with !!!!!!!!!!!! just makes you look like a more excited type of idiot. (!!!!)

As for your desire to hate all things HCMM, carry on. Enjoy watching the fuskers, or oregon, or whoever you actually like.

what's an "idiot" (!!!?)

 

[OsideBuff]

My fusker friend, I'm not sure who you are even arguing with at this point. I pointed out you said something stupid. That's all.

Anyway, replacing ............. with !!!!!!!!!!!! just makes you look like a more excited type of idiot. (!!!!)

As for your desire to hate all things HCMM, carry on. Enjoy watching the fuskers, or oregon, or whoever you actually like.

Thanks for the recognition. I will be attending the next two home games cheering on the Buffs. Carpe Diem!

 

[Darth Snow]

Thanks for the recognition. I will be attending the next two home games cheering on the Buffs. Carpe Diem!

Much better. Thank you.

 

[BuffsNYC]

They still out gained us by nearly 200 yards despite having a 1 turnover deficit. They were the better team from top to bottom, but we came away with the W.

Meh. Both defenses were awful. Though OSU only punted once, they were forced into 5 field goal attempts (4 from in the red zone.) Gaining a lot of yards up to the red zone doesn't mean they were the better team. Look at it this way, if OSU turned the ball over 3 times (which was about their average for prior games), CU would've won comfortably.